OwenToo (Axis) vs Simon33 (Allies) PTV

@simon33 Yes, definitely an “ouch” moment… ah, I see the Russians decided the Middle East was not a friendly destination, much like the Japanese having a hard time in China. At least your Russians have an escape route…

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 11

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 5.2.0

Game History

Round: 11

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 1 carrier, 1 fighter and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        2 infantry moved from Aleutian Islands to 9 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 9 Sea Zone to 1 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 1 Sea Zone to Alaska
        1 artillery moved from Marshall Islands to 33 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from Gilbert Islands to 33 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Gilbert Islands to 33 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Marshall Islands to 33 Sea Zone
        2 artilleries, 2 carriers, 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 2 tactical_bombers and 2 transports moved from 33 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 27 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 27 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
        2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from 27 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
        1 artillery moved from Kiangsu to Fukien
              Japanese take Fukien from Chinese
        2 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Shantung
        1 artillery moved from Kiangsu to Shantung
        1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Kiangsi
              Japanese take Kiangsi from Chinese
        1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Shantung

    Combat - Japanese
        Battle in Alaska
        Battle in Hawaiian Islands
            Japanese attack with 2 artilleries, 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
            Americans defend with 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 2 artilleries, 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Hawaiian Islands, round 2 : 4/8 hits, 3.67 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 2 infantry in Hawaiian Islands, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 2 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Hawaiian Islands
            Japanese win, taking Alaska from Americans, taking Hawaiian Islands from Americans with 2 artilleries, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry
        Battle in Shantung
            Japanese attack with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
            Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Shantung, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Shantung, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Shantung
            Japanese win, taking Shantung from Chinese with 1 artillery and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Japan to Kyushu
        1 transport moved from 7 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from Kiangsu to 20 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to 20 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from 36 Sea Zone to Davao
        1 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Davao
        1 transport moved from 34 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
        1 mech_infantry moved from Kiangsu to 20 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to 20 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 20 Sea Zone to Okinawa
        1 mech_infantry moved from 20 Sea Zone to Okinawa
        1 aaGun, 4 artilleries and 10 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Fukien
        2 destroyers moved from 7 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 50 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
        1 battleship, 2 carriers, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport moved from 50 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to Davao
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Hawaiian Islands to 27 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Japanese
        2 transports placed in 20 Sea Zone
        1 carrier placed in 7 Sea Zone
        1 fighter placed in 7 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Japanese collect 28 PUs; end with 30 PUs
        Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 33 PUs
        Objective Japanese 5 Pacific Airfields: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 38 PUs
        Objective Japanese 7 Vital Forward Bases: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 43 PUs
        Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 48 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : -0.33
Americans regular : 0.33
Japanese regular : 0.33

Savegame

@simon33 ya know, I consider how the Americans attacked SZ 105 to be an illegal move, because you landed your surviving Tac Bombers on a newly built carrier. “it is not legal to make a combat move that is only possible because of a newly built carrier”. I think you needed to move one of your CVs from 89 up to 91 to recover those planes.

Perhaps we should get a ruling by the developers

@simon33 Yes, I figured you felt that way. But the way the turn was played, I think the intent of the rule may be different than the way you played it. Thus, I thought it best to get a clarification, which will help in future situations, or make them rewrite the rule.

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Italians round 11

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 5.2.0

Game History

Round: 11

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 2 armour, 1 carrier, 1 infantry, 1 marine, 1 mech_infantry, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 marine moved from Trans-Jordan to 100 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from Trans-Jordan to 100 Sea Zone
        2 armour moved from Egypt to 100 Sea Zone
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Egypt to 100 Sea Zone
        5 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to 100 Sea Zone
        2 armour, 1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 5 infantry, 1 marine, 2 mech_infantrys and 5 transports moved from 100 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        2 armour moved from 94 Sea Zone to Morocco
        2 mech_infantrys moved from 94 Sea Zone to Morocco
        1 artillery moved from 94 Sea Zone to Morocco
        1 marine moved from 94 Sea Zone to Morocco
        5 infantry moved from 94 Sea Zone to Morocco
        1 armour moved from Southern Persia to Northwest Persia
              Italians take Northwest Persia from Russians
        1 armour moved from Northwest Persia to Southern Persia
        1 mech_infantry moved from Ukraine to Northern Caucasus
              Italians take Northern Caucasus from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Kursk
        1 artillery moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine
        2 bombers moved from Malta to Morocco

    Combat - Italians

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

Scramble up to 4 fighters from 93 into Morocco?

btw, I never said your move was “ridiculous”. I only said I thought it was illegal based on the way the rule was written. It was a very clever move, and Adam said it was OK, so now I know

TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 11

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 5.2.0

Game History

Round: 11

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 2 armour, 1 carrier, 1 infantry, 1 marine, 1 mech_infantry, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 marine moved from Trans-Jordan to 100 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from Trans-Jordan to 100 Sea Zone
        2 armour moved from Egypt to 100 Sea Zone
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Egypt to 100 Sea Zone
        5 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to 100 Sea Zone
        2 armour, 1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 5 infantry, 1 marine, 2 mech_infantrys and 5 transports moved from 100 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        2 armour moved from 94 Sea Zone to Morocco
        2 mech_infantrys moved from 94 Sea Zone to Morocco
        1 artillery moved from 94 Sea Zone to Morocco
        1 marine moved from 94 Sea Zone to Morocco
        5 infantry moved from 94 Sea Zone to Morocco
        1 armour moved from Southern Persia to Northwest Persia
              Italians take Northwest Persia from Russians
        1 armour moved from Northwest Persia to Southern Persia
        1 mech_infantry moved from Ukraine to Northern Caucasus
              Italians take Northern Caucasus from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Kursk
        1 artillery moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine
        2 bombers moved from Malta to Morocco

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in 94 Sea Zone
            Italians attack with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 5 transports
            Americans defend with 1 submarine
                Italians roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 5 transports in 94 Sea Zone, round 2 : 4/5 hits, 2.50 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 94 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 94 Sea Zone
            Italians win with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 5 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine
        Battle in Morocco
            Italians attack with 2 armour, 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 5 infantry, 1 marine and 2 mech_infantrys
            Americans defend with 2 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 2 armour, 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 5 infantry, 1 marine and 2 mech_infantrys in Morocco, round 2 : 4/13 hits, 4.33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 2 infantry in Morocco, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Americans and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Morocco
            Italians win, taking Morocco from Americans with 2 armour, 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 4 infantry, 1 marine and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        2 bombers moved from Morocco to Malta
        1 aaGun moved from Algeria to Morocco
        1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Southern Persia to Trans-Jordan
        2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to 82 Sea Zone
        6 armour, 4 artilleries, 8 infantry and 7 mech_infantrys moved from Southern Persia to Baluchistan
        1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan
        2 armour moved from Egypt to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan
        1 aaGun moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine

    Place Units - Italians
        1 carrier and 1 transport placed in 82 Sea Zone
        1 marine placed in Southern Persia
        1 tactical_bomber placed in Southern Italy
        2 armour and 1 mech_infantry placed in Egypt
        1 infantry placed in Northern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Italians collect 35 PUs; end with 35 PUs
        Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 40 PUs
        Objective Italians 4 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Italians met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 46 PUs
        Objective Italians 3 North Africa Control: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 51 PUs
        Objective Italians 5 Control Convoy Lanes: Italians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 54 PUs
        Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 59 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0.17
Italians regular : 1.17

Savegame

@simon33 Far from it. I knew it was a tossup, and I thought maybe the intent of the rule (which they try to write for simplicity, with a minimum wordcount) might prevent you from doing what you did. I certainly had not considered that you would take care of my CV in that manner. So now we are both better prepared for future battles

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 12

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 5.2.0

Game History

Round: 12

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans repair damage of 1x factory_major; Remaining resources: 82 PUs; 
        Germans buy 2 armour, 3 artilleries, 2 fighters, 9 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 armour moved from Kursk to Tula
              Germans take Tula from Russians
        1 armour moved from Tula to Tambov
              Germans take Tambov from Russians
        1 armour moved from Rostov to Stalingrad
              Germans take Stalingrad from Russians
        1 armour moved from Stalingrad to Tambov
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Rostov to Tambov
        7 armour and 7 mech_infantrys moved from Yaroslavl to Komi
              Germans take Gorky from Russians
              Germans take Komi from Russians

    Combat - Germans

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        3 aaGuns, 7 artilleries, 2 fighters, 20 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Yaroslavl to Smolensk
        1 aaGun, 5 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Novgorod to Smolensk
        6 infantry moved from Southern Belarus to Smolensk
        2 infantry moved from Ukraine to Kursk
        2 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Leningrad to Smolensk
        1 artillery moved from Leningrad to Novgorod
        3 infantry moved from Leningrad to Novgorod
        1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Northern Belarus to Smolensk
        1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Romania to Northern Belarus
        2 transports moved from 118 Sea Zone to 117 Sea Zone
        2 artilleries moved from Germany to 117 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Germany to 117 Sea Zone
        2 artilleries, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 117 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone
        2 artilleries moved from 118 Sea Zone to Leningrad
        2 infantry moved from 118 Sea Zone to Leningrad
        2 infantry moved from Southern France to 95 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 94 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Gibraltar
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Western Germany to France
        1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 95 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Ukraine to Leningrad
        3 bombers moved from Ukraine to Leningrad
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Ukraine to Smolensk
        1 artillery moved from French Equatorial Africa to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan

    Place Units - Germans
        2 armour and 1 mech_infantry placed in Romania
        1 fighter placed in Leningrad
        1 transport placed in 118 Sea Zone
        1 infantry placed in Leningrad
        2 artilleries and 4 infantry placed in Germany
        1 artillery, 1 fighter and 2 infantry placed in Western Germany
        2 infantry placed in Southern France

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 64 PUs; end with 64 PUs
        Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 67 PUs
        Trigger Germans 4 Presence In Egypt: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 77 PUs
        Objective Germans 7 Control of Balkans: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 80 PUs
        Objective Germans 2 Control Stalingrad Or Leningrad Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 90 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

@simon33 I agree. When I play Allies, I try my best to subdue Italy.