@Blackychan I don’t believe your Italian attacks were legal moves for this set up. If you look at the game notes it states that Italy cannot attack any game spaces containing French or British units until Paris has fallen.
Look at the game notes and let me know your interpretation of those rules.
“Italy, while not at war may move naval units out of the Mediterranean Use Edit. They may declare war at any time, however unless Paris has fallen their combat moves may not include attacks on any game space occupied by French or British units. This is Player Enforced”
Mainah (X) v Stough (L) OOB III
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TripleA Move Summary: British round 2
TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0
Game History
Round: 2 Combat Move - British 1 unit repaired. 1 bomber moved from New Brunswick Nova Scotia to 91 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Italian Somaliland to 76 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to 76 Sea Zone 1 armour moved from Ethiopia to 76 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 76 Sea Zone to Iraq 1 tactical_bomber moved from 76 Sea Zone to Iraq 1 fighter moved from Egypt to Iraq 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 1 infantry and 2 transports moved from 76 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone 1 battleship moved from 39 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to Iraq 1 artillery moved from 80 Sea Zone to Iraq 1 armour moved from 80 Sea Zone to Iraq -
TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 2
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0
Game History
Round: 2 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 2 carriers, 1 destroyer and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Americans Combat - Americans Non Combat Move - Americans 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands 1 artillery moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands 1 infantry moved from Eastern United States to Central United States 1 armour moved from Central United States to Eastern United States 3 mech_infantrys moved from Central United States to Eastern United States 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 54 Sea Zone to 30 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Guam to Wake Island 2 tactical_bombers moved from Central United States to Eastern United States Place Units - Americans 1 carrier placed in 10 Sea Zone 1 carrier and 1 destroyer placed in 101 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber placed in Western United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 53 PUs Purchase Units - Chinese Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed Chinese buy 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Chinese 2 infantry moved from Shensi to Suiyuyan 1 fighter moved from Shensi to Suiyuyan Combat - Chinese Battle in Suiyuyan Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Suiyuyan, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Suiyuyan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Suiyuyan Chinese win, taking Suiyuyan from Japanese with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Chinese 1 fighter moved from Suiyuyan to Shensi 4 infantry moved from Szechwan to Shensi Place Units - Chinese 5 infantry placed in Shensi Turn Complete - Chinese Chinese collect 6 PUs; end with 6 PUs Purchase Units - British British buy 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 9 PUs; Purchase Units - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific buy 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - British 1 unit repaired. 1 bomber moved from New Brunswick Nova Scotia to 91 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Italian Somaliland to 76 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to 76 Sea Zone 1 armour moved from Ethiopia to 76 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 76 Sea Zone to Iraq 1 tactical_bomber moved from 76 Sea Zone to Iraq 1 fighter moved from Egypt to Iraq 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 1 infantry and 2 transports moved from 76 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone 1 battleship moved from 39 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to Iraq 1 artillery moved from 80 Sea Zone to Iraq 1 armour moved from 80 Sea Zone to Iraq Combat - British Battle in 91 Sea Zone British attack with 1 bomber Germans defend with 2 transports 2 transports owned by the Germans lost in 91 Sea Zone British win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14 Casualties for Germans: 2 transports Battle in Iraq British attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Neutral_Axis defend with 3 infantry British roll dice for 1 battleship and 2 cruisers in Iraq, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits British roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Iraq, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 2.83 expected hits Neutral_Axis roll dice for 3 infantry in Iraq, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 3 infantry owned by the Neutral_Axis and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Iraq British win, taking Iraq from Neutral_Axis with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Casualties for Neutral_Axis: 3 infantry Non Combat Move - British 1 tactical_bomber moved from Iraq to Egypt 1 fighter moved from Iraq to Egypt 1 mech_infantry moved from Ethiopia to Egypt 1 infantry moved from Eastern Persia to Persia British take Persia from Neutral_Allies 3 aaGuns, 1 fighter, 7 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Burma to India 1 infantry moved from Shan State to Burma 2 infantry moved from Shan State to Burma 1 bomber moved from 91 Sea Zone to French West Africa 1 carrier moved from 109 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Quebec to New Brunswick Nova Scotia 1 artillery moved from Quebec to New Brunswick Nova Scotia 1 fighter moved from Iraq to Egypt Place Units - British 1 transport placed in 71 Sea Zone 1 destroyer placed in 106 Sea Zone 1 fighter placed in Union of South Africa Turn Complete - British British collect 33 PUs; end with 42 PUs Place Units - UK_Pacific 8 infantry placed in India Turn Complete - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific collect 17 PUs; end with 17 PUs Some Units in India change ownership: 8 infantryCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Chinese regular : 1.17 Japanese regular : -0.33 Neutral_Axis regular : 0.00 British regular : -1.50 -
I forgot Syrian Frenchie last round. He should be in Trans-Jordan
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TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 2
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0
Game History
Round: 2 Purchase Units - Italians Italians buy 1 armour and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Politics - Italians Italians takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Italians and Russians from Neutrality to War Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to Allied Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by French from Syria: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by French to Trans-Jordan: 1 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Combat Move - Italians 1 unit repaired. 1 armour and 1 artillery moved from Tunisia to Algeria 1 transport moved from 92 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to 95 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 94 Sea Zone to Algeria 1 infantry moved from Tobruk to Alexandria Italians take Alexandria from British 1 armour moved from Romania to Eastern Poland Italians take Eastern Poland from Russians 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Greece to 97 Sea Zone 2 artilleries, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 97 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 92 Sea Zone to Morocco 2 artilleries moved from 92 Sea Zone to Morocco 2 cruisers moved from 93 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone 1 battleship moved from 93 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Algeria Combat - Italians Battle in Morocco Italians attack with 2 artilleries and 2 infantry French defend with 1 infantry Italians roll dice for 1 battleship and 2 cruisers in Morocco, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits French roll dice for 1 infantry in Morocco, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the French lost in Morocco Italians win, taking Morocco from French with 2 artilleries and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for French: 1 infantry Battle in Algeria Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 2 infantry French defend with 1 infantry Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Algeria, round 2 : 4/5 hits, 2.00 expected hits French roll dice for 1 infantry in Algeria, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the French lost in Algeria Italians win, taking Algeria from French with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for French: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Italians 1 bomber moved from Algeria to Southern Italy 1 armour moved from Greece to Romania Place Units - Italians 1 armour placed in Southern Italy 2 transports placed in 97 Sea Zone Turn Complete - Italians Italians collect 15 PUs; end with 15 PUs Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 20 PUs Objective Italians 3 North Africa: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 25 PUs Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 30 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
French regular : -0.67 Italians regular : 2.33 -
TripleA Turn Summary: ANZAC round 2
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0
Game History
Round: 2 Purchase Units - ANZAC ANZAC buy 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - ANZAC 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone Non Combat Move - ANZAC 1 infantry moved from 45 Sea Zone to Dutch New Guinea ANZAC take Dutch New Guinea from Dutch 3 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland 4 fighters moved from New South Wales to Queensland 1 artillery moved from New South Wales to Queensland 2 aaGuns moved from New South Wales to Queensland Place Units - ANZAC 1 infantry placed in New South Wales 1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone Turn Complete - ANZAC ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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TripleA Turn Summary: French round 2
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0
Game History
Round: 2 Purchase Units - ANZAC ANZAC buy 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - ANZAC 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone Non Combat Move - ANZAC 1 infantry moved from 45 Sea Zone to Dutch New Guinea ANZAC take Dutch New Guinea from Dutch 3 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland 4 fighters moved from New South Wales to Queensland 1 artillery moved from New South Wales to Queensland 2 aaGuns moved from New South Wales to Queensland Place Units - ANZAC 1 infantry placed in New South Wales 1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone Turn Complete - ANZAC ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs Combat Move - French Non Combat Move - French 1 infantry moved from French Central Africa to French West Africa 1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to Scotland 1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt Turn Complete - FrenchCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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TripleA Turn Summary: French round 2
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0
Game History
Round: 2 Purchase Units - ANZAC ANZAC buy 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - ANZAC 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone Non Combat Move - ANZAC 1 infantry moved from 45 Sea Zone to Dutch New Guinea ANZAC take Dutch New Guinea from Dutch 3 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland 4 fighters moved from New South Wales to Queensland 1 artillery moved from New South Wales to Queensland 2 aaGuns moved from New South Wales to Queensland Place Units - ANZAC 1 infantry placed in New South Wales 1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone Turn Complete - ANZAC ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs Combat Move - French Non Combat Move - French 1 infantry moved from French Central Africa to French West Africa 1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to Scotland 1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt Turn Complete - French Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by French to 83 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer EDIT: Removing units owned by French from 70 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer EDIT: Turning off Edit ModeCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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Use the one above please. For the Destroyer edit.
‘and that’s how Italy gets built up.’
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Also, now we can see why Taranto or Tobruk are necessary first moves.
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@Stough
Been pondering that conundrum this afternoon. Not sure that taranto is a must - or thar it must be tobruk if not taranto. I have an idea i will try my first game with allies. Because italy has to take any threat to its fleet seriously - she can’t replace it, and its light on destroyers and subs to soak up hits. -
TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 3
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0
Game History
Round: 3 Research Technology - Germans Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 1 armour and 12 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans Non Combat Move - Germans 1 transport moved from 115 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 aaGun moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany 2 fighters moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany 1 tactical_bomber moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany 2 tactical_bombers moved from Holland Belgium to Eastern Poland 3 aaGuns, 3 artilleries and 9 infantry moved from Poland to Eastern Poland 6 armour and 11 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Eastern Poland 4 armour, 2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Romania to Eastern Poland 2 artilleries moved from Normandy Bordeaux to France 1 armour moved from Normandy Bordeaux to France 1 infantry moved from Southern France to France 2 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France 3 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to Poland 1 armour moved from France to Western Germany Place Units - Germans 1 armour and 9 mech_infantrys placed in Germany 3 mech_infantrys placed in Western Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 44 PUs; end with 44 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 49 PUs Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 54 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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I think we are starting to see WHY a bid is necessary. I get that folks see the gas as unbalanced, but I wasn’t clear on WHY that’s so. I’m starting to think that OOB leaves a limited array of either or choices in the beginning of the the game. And that each of those either or’s have a counter by the Axis that is devastating; making it impossible for the Allies to win without a bid. I still don’t see the nuts and bolts f this hypothesis, but I think the gray may be getting lighter.
This is why I think is important for us to play with no bid. I want to understand exactly what the bid is trying to erase.
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Also, what gives? Are the Germans and Russians at war? What are the consequences if I declare war on Hitler’s crazy ass.
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MARTI will allow me to declare war, but without the rules handy, I’m not sure what I’m giving up if I do so.
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@Stough
As it is now Turn 3 - Russia may declare war on Germany. Italy Declared war and took a territory. Than Germany is reinforcing ITALY’s territory while still at peace with Russia, netting Germany an extra 5 PU’s for the national objective of being at peace with Russia.
It would behoove Russia to declare war on Germany.And agree with the bid statement.
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The rules say no dice to a war declaration on turn 3 by Stalin’s maniacs.
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@Stough
They can as they have had war declared on them by an Axis power. Namely, Italy. I think by the rules it has to wait until END of turn 3 if no previous war declaration has been made. -
Well, the bad news is I’m going to see if I can get another hours sleep before my day starts. I can probably sneak in Russias turn before 11:00 AM my time, but no promises.
Side note: I’m really glad I’m playing the way I am right now, not because it’s helping me win, but because it’s showing me why stuff should redone. Ahhh, the learning.
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@Stough
Yeah. I feel that way a lot. Getting very expensive lessons in my league games right now. in 1 game, lost all of G first turn purchase on UK turn 2 (1 CV, 1BB, 1 CA, 2 Trans)
About to lose the entire Italian navy due to some crazy ANZAC attack on ANZAC 2 in my other game. Who knew 2 INF represent a credible attack threat?!?!?!?! Not a noob!
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Scramble in 113?
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