WW2 Path to Victory - Feedback Thread

@regularkid we were!😁

@trulpen with the start of G3 would be suitable.

B solution for me…

but I would like a limit per aircraft carrier group … not an overall limit

analogy with airports

ah I read that it was already considered… maximum three planes for SZ, sorry

this can also result in multiple fleets (as in reality) and not huge stacks of aircraft carriers…

so how was the stack reduced in russia (german and russian) maybe solution B could do the same in the pacific?

If we’re taking a vote, mine is prop B. Limit upto 3 per SZ. I don’t see that changing CV carry capacity will help. I would think it add to the problem.

I’m inclined to think proposal B but I would like it to be considered a trial to see how it goes. I assume this also applies to carrier to land scrambling as well. That would make it harder for a large fleet to defend a relatively smaller landing which seems to be a good thing.

@regularkid No it makes the problem worse. 6 planes + 2 CVs in new system = 100 IPCs. 6 planes + 3CVs in original system = 108 IPCs.

@surfer there are less casualties though

What if you make it so that 1 plane can scramble per carrier, 3 from each sz of carriers. This would allow you to scramble more than 3 at times if you can manage to put together a strong enough navy to hold 2 zones.

@regularkid well then im for proposal b

@WindowWasher Yea! One more in my camp.

If you add the proposal A carriers, I think you drift too far away from the original game. It’s already a different game, but that would fundamentally change a lot of strategies and uses for pieces.

@WindowWasher sure, i approve.

My biggest concern with proposal A is that it doesn’t limit the number of scrambles. It may make getting the same number of scrambles more expensive, but not enough.

In every Pacific war I have participated in, no one lets their carriers be attacked. They continue to grow and grow in number until finally one player (US usually) has enough units to force an attack. Until then, the player who can get to territory first (Japan almost always) moves in with a fleet and puts down blockers that are very hard to get rid of–maybe only can clear 1 / turn. Allowing more fighters per carrier does not change this dynamic.

Specifically, in the early game (in PTV this is approximately the first 8 rounds) I would keep buying CVs for Japan at 1 / round even though I wouldn’t have full carriers because I want the scrambles. The US and others are just playing catch up during this time, and as a result cannot push me anywhere, and can’t fight through my blockers. In most cases, they don’t want to touch my blockers which further helps me build a fleet. Japan sitting at 70+ since Turn 3 has many options for attack and the Allies can’t do anything to fight through the fleet.

Since all the naval battles are going nowhere, Japan and Germany just pick at Russia and China until they reach economic parity (or more) and then they win the long war.

I REALLY like the CV scramble rule, but I feel it makes the CVs over-powered. Even at 20 IPCs they are worth their value with the existing rules. By adding another plane to their capacity just makes them that more desirable. Hence, my support for prop B.

Proposal A’s effect isn’t strictly to reduce the number of carriers and hence scrambling, it’s to increase the ratio of non-scrambleable aircraft to scrambleable aircraft from 2:1 to 3:1. This has the effect that given the same amount of carriers on both sides (10 for example), the attacker can clear blockers with 3:1 aircraft or 30 against 10 if trying to clear 1 blocker, and 15 against 10 if trying to clear 2 blockers. Clearing 2 blockers becomes much easier and the defender shouldn’t scramble unless they have a carrier number advantage.

The issue with proposal B is that there’s no scaling of the scrambling effect as the number of carriers increases. You go from having carrier scrambles be a significant part of the Pacific in the beginning of the game to being largely irrelevant when a sufficient number of carriers are amassed on both sides.

@Adam514 said in WW2 Path to Victory - Feedback Thread:

The issue with proposal B is that there’s no scaling of the scrambling effect as the number of carriers increases. You go from having carrier scrambles be a significant part of the Pacific in the beginning of the game to being largely irrelevant when a sufficient number of carriers are amassed on both sides.

This already exists with airbases, so it isn’t a new problem, if it is a problem. Interesting feature, maybe, particularly because you can’t buy multiple airbases on the same territory.

@AndrewAAGamer said in WW2 Path to Victory - Feedback Thread:

After playing a couple of games of PtV this carrier scramble rule was one of the main reasons that I decided not to continue playing PtV anymore. I won’t get into the other reasons since you are not addressing them here anyway.

I would choose Proposal B for three reasons:

1. A 3 scramble matches that of land based aircraft airbases. For me it makes no sense that a carrier that is smaller and has a harder time getting its planes into the air can scramble half of its force where a land territory with gosh knows how many landing strips can only scramble a maximum of three fighters no matter how many planes are there.
2. Limiting it to 3 would open up the ability for more mobile warfare which has always been the advantage of sea combat over land combat while still maintaining some ability to project defensive force just like airbases. Just changing the cost of the carriers alleviates the problem somewhat but not that much and a scramble of 8-9 would certainly be doable. I have played in many games with 12+ carriers so those 24 planes would reside on 8 carriers instead of 12.
3. Changing the cost of the carrier and its abilities further differentiates the game from Axis and Allies. I think the intent of the developers, you guys, was to tweak Global 1940 but still maintain the Axis and Allies original game, look and feel. The more it is different from Axis and Allies the more it is like any other TripleA game map that is not Axis and Allies.

I agree here with Andrew, and I too stopped playing in great part due to that carrier scrambling rule. I absolutely hated it to be perfectly honest, and that was one of the first things I had asked about changing, and I actually remember proposing capping it off to just 3 (this was way back when you guys first released it, BTW). I guess my request/proposal was ignored, but now that enough people have complained, it’s getting the attention again.