L20 #1 Amon-Sul (X) vs Adam514 (A+9) BM3

@nikola1975 said in L25 PtV Simon33 (Allies) vs Nikola1975 (Axis + 13):

@simon33 Yes, let’s see what we can make out of it. Haven’t played it in a long time; forgot about Manila scramble.

A small chance of keeping the plane alive.

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Russians round 1

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition

Game History

Round: 1 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 1 artillery and 11 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians Combat - Russians Non Combat Move - Russians 1 submarine moved from 127 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone 3 infantry moved from Vyborg to Novgorod 2 infantry moved from Karelia to Novgorod 1 fighter moved from Novgorod to Ukraine 1 armour, 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Ukraine 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Ukraine 2 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine 1 fighter and 2 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine 3 infantry moved from Baltic States to Belarus 2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 6 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus 1 infantry moved from Archangel to Belarus 2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk 2 infantry moved from Caucasus to Rostov 6 infantry moved from Buryatia to Yakut S.S.R. 2 aaGuns and 6 infantry moved from Sakha to Buryatia 6 infantry moved from Amur to Buryatia Place Units - Russians 3 infantry placed in Ukraine 1 artillery and 8 infantry placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 37 PUs; end with 37 PUs

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@simon33

well, I read the game notes and there is a specific note about vichy france.

Fly-over restrictions applicable to other Neutral territories do not apply to Vichy French territory.

Unless I am missing something, Germany should have been able to fly over southern france. I do not see anywhere that just a US attacking SF, removes that restriction. It looks like a bug in the program unless there is a FAQ I am not aware of.

@mikawagunichi

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Game History

Round: 3 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Politics - Japanese Japanese takes Political Action: Political Action Japanese To War With Americans Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Americans: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Americans from Neutrality to War Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Americans: Changing Relationship for Chinese and Americans from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Americans: Changing Relationship for British and Americans from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Americans: Changing Relationship for UK_Pacific and Americans from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Americans: Changing Relationship for ANZAC and Americans from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Americans: Changing Relationship for Americans and French from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Americans: Changing Relationship for Americans and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Americans: Changing Relationship for Americans and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Americans: Changing Relationship for Americans and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral Japanese takes Political Action: Political Action Japanese To War With British And ANZAC Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With British And ANZAC: Changing Relationship for Japanese and British from Neutrality to War Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With British And ANZAC: Changing Relationship for Japanese and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to War Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With British And ANZAC: Changing Relationship for Japanese and ANZAC from Neutrality to War Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With British And ANZAC: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Dutch from Neutrality to War Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With British And ANZAC: Changing Relationship for Chinese and British from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With British And ANZAC: Changing Relationship for Chinese and UK_Pacific from Concordant to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With British And ANZAC: Changing Relationship for Chinese and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With British And ANZAC: Changing Relationship for Chinese and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly Japanese takes Political Action: Political Action Japanese To War With French Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With French: Changing Relationship for Japanese and French from Neutrality to War Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With French: Changing Relationship for Chinese and French from Neutrality to Allied Combat Move - Japanese Trigger Japanese Unrestricted Movement: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared for rulesAttachment attached to Japanese 1 infantry moved from Iwo Jima to 7 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 7 Sea Zone to 22 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Marianas to 22 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 22 Sea Zone to Guam 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Japan to 7 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 132 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone 1 marine moved from Paulau to 36 Sea Zone 1 cruiser and 1 marine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 44 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 21 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 44 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 132 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 44 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 132 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to Celebes 1 destroyer moved from 37 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 7 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Davao 2 infantry moved from Paulau to 36 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Manilla 2 infantry moved from Paulau to 36 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 marine moved from 43 Sea Zone to Java 1 artillery moved from Kwangsi to 37 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 132 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Siam to 132 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 132 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 38 Sea Zone to Sumatra 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to 37 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 38 Sea Zone to Malaya 1 bomber moved from Kwangsi to Malaya 1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to 37 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Fukien to 21 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 21 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to Borneo 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to 37 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 45 Sea Zone to Celebes 2 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Caroline Islands to Davao 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Fukien to Manilla 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Kiangsi to Kwangtung 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Fukien to Kwangtung 1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Kwangsi to Borneo 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan Combat - Japanese Battle in Guam Battle in 45 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport British defend with 1 transport 1 transport owned by the British lost in 45 Sea Zone Japanese win, taking Guam from Americans, taking 45 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for British: 1 transport Battle in Java Japanese attack with 2 infantry and 1 marine British defend with 1 marine Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in Java, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 marine in Java, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 marine owned by the British lost in Java Japanese win, taking Java from UK_Pacific with 2 infantry and 1 marine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5 Casualties for British: 1 marine Battle in Borneo Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry British defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Borneo, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.67 expected hits UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 infantry in Borneo, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Borneo Japanese win, taking Borneo from UK_Pacific with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Battle in Kwangtung Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 4 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber British defend with 2 infantry; UK_Pacific defend with 1 harbour Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 4 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Kwangtung, round 2 : 4/8 hits, 2.50 expected hits UK_Pacific roll dice for 2 infantry in Kwangtung, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Kwangtung 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Kwangtung Japanese win, taking Kwangtung from UK_Pacific with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 3 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Casualties for British: 2 infantry Battle in Manilla Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Americans defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 cruiser in Manilla, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Manilla, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Manilla, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Manilla Japanese win, taking Manilla from Americans with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry Battle in Sumatra Japanese attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry British defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in Sumatra, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 infantry in Sumatra, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Sumatra Japanese win, taking Sumatra from UK_Pacific with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Battle in Celebes Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber British defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Celebes, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 infantry in Celebes, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Celebes 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Celebes Japanese win, taking Celebes from UK_Pacific with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Casualties for British: 1 infantry Battle in Yunnan Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Chinese defend with 2 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Yunnan, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry Battle in 42 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers British defend with 1 battleship Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 2.33 expected hits British roll dice for 1 battleship in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Japanese lost in 42 Sea Zone 1 battleship owned by the British lost in 42 Sea Zone Japanese win with 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12 Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine Casualties for British: 1 battleship Battle in Davao Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Americans defend with 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Davao, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Davao, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Davao Japanese win, taking Davao from Americans with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry Battle in Malaya Japanese attack with 1 armour, 1 bomber and 1 infantry British defend with 1 infantry; UK_Pacific defend with 1 harbour Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Malaya, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 infantry in Malaya, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Malaya Japanese win, taking Malaya from UK_Pacific with 1 armour, 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Japanese Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Changing ownership of Inner Mongolia from Chinese to Japanese EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Inner Mongolia: 1 infantry EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Shansi: 1 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 42 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 42 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Celebes to 43 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Davao to 36 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi 1 bomber moved from Malaya to Kwangsi 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Manilla to Fukien 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Shansi 2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kiangsi 1 infantry moved from Siam to French Indo China Japanese take French Indo China from Neutral_Axis 1 bomber moved from Borneo to Kwangsi 1 fighter moved from Borneo to Kwangsi Place Units - Japanese 1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Japan 1 carrier and 1 submarine placed in 6 Sea Zone 1 fighter placed in 6 Sea Zone Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 56 PUs; end with 57 PUs Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 60 PUs Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 65 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : 0.00 Americans regular : -0.67 Japanese regular : 1.17 UK_Pacific regular : -0.33 British regular : 0.33

TripleA Turn Summary: French round 10

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 10 Purchase Units - ANZAC ANZAC buy 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - ANZAC 2 infantry moved from Marshall Islands to 32 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 32 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 17 Sea Zone to Iwo Jima Combat - ANZAC Battle in Iwo Jima Non Combat Move - ANZAC 1 transport moved from 81 Sea Zone to 71 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone 1 carrier and 2 fighters moved from 22 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone Place Units - ANZAC 1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in New South Wales Turn Complete - ANZAC ANZAC collect 12 PUs; end with 12 PUs Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 15 PUs Combat Move - French 1 cruiser and 2 destroyers moved from 81 Sea Zone to 77 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Eastern Persia to West India 2 infantry moved from Alexandria to Egypt Non Combat Move - French Turn Complete - French

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air in 94 is on US carrier

Delayed response but a few things I will add:

I completely disagree with Adam514’s attack on Normandy G2. What did the Axis get from this attack? Only 4IPC to Germany and the axis lost a lot of units defending it UK3. I can’t imagine I will be dissuaded from this point either. Normally, the only time I would recommend an attack on Normandy is when there is a sea lion. I actually also disagree the Italians taking it which allowed the ownership to go to USA rather than UK. Just because I disagree with Adam doesn’t mean I’m wrong. 101 attack has an expected value of +6.5TUV so on paper it is worthwhile. Biggest problem that I have with this calculation is that it ignores the effect of stripping subs from 110/111. To me, the main benefit of the US1 Brazil landing is getting the infantry sooner. To do what? I’m not sure, I don’t use this move. One game I played against Axis-Dominion he landed USA on Morocco for the +5 bonus US1. Skipping the Yunnan attack for the SZ37 attack, I’m not a fan of. I’m not a fan of the SZ37 attack straight up because it trades a Japanese Cruiser (at a minimum) for the UK BB and the UK BB can’t participate in a US attack on the Japanese fleet, to put it simply. Without the Yunnan inf bid I prefer to leave an inf in Kwangsi so the Allies can’t stop land units from reaching Yunnan J2 but that is just my preference. India fell J4 which means it was a naval take down. This did require 30IPC in facilities but then Adam also saved an mIC vs what I normally do, which I expect to take India mostly overland J5. Getting it 1 turn earlier meant another 8IPC and maybe he also saved UK from getting 2-3 more inf. Still, I used to do it a fair bit but now I’m not convinced it’s a good trade.

@farmboy said in L25 BM4 Playoffs Adam514 (Axis) vs farmboy (Allies+18):

This is the third time I’ve beaten Adam’s Axis. But its the first time I’ve won where I feel that the dice didn’t do most of the work for me.

Hmm, was a few years ago I went looking for a time Adam had gone down as Axis, didn’t find any. Were these games relatively recently or did I just miss one?

TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 5

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 5 Purchase Units - Italians Italians buy 4 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Italians 2 armour, 1 bomber and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Ukraine to Caucasus 1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Caucasus Combat - Italians Battle in Caucasus Italians attack with 2 armour, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 3 mech_infantrys Russians defend with 2 infantry Italians roll dice for 2 armour, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 3 mech_infantrys in Caucasus, round 2 : 5/7 hits, 2,67 expected hits Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Caucasus, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Caucasus Italians win, taking Caucasus from Russians with 2 armour, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 3 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry Non Combat Move - Italians 1 fighter moved from Caucasus to Rostov 1 bomber moved from Caucasus to Rostov 3 mech_infantrys moved from Romania to Ukraine 3 mech_infantrys moved from Northern Italy to Romania 1 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine 5 infantry moved from Algeria to Tunisia 1 artillery moved from Algeria to Tunisia Place Units - Italians 3 infantry placed in Southern Italy 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Northern Italy Turn Complete - Italians Italians collect 18 PUs; end with 18 PUs Objective Italians 5 Control Convoy Lanes: Italians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 21 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : 2,33 Russians regular : -0,67

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