Sub Sneak Attack

@RYNO87 said in Defender Sub sneak attack:

Have a question about sneak attack order with a destroyer. Lets say the attacker has 1 sub and a cruiser and defender has a sub and destroyer. I understand that the attacker sub can’t sneak attack (due to the defender destroyer) but would the defender sub get to sneak attack before the attacker gets his combat turn?

Exactly. The defending destroyer cancels the attacking submarine’s surprise strike ability. So the defending submarine gets its surprise strike before.

@shake118118 said in Battleships attacking subs?:

Can battleships attack/defend against subs? My understanding is that subs and destroyers can. If not, can you just bring one sub against a fleet of battleships and continue to roll till you knock out all battleships? Seems wrong. Thanks.

Welcome to the forum @shake118118 . I think Panther may already answered you with his “Yes”, but to expand on that any naval unit can attack/defend against subs. If a sub submerges, which it can do if there is no enemy destroyer present, then that sub is not involved in the battle, so no attack/defend against that sub is relevant. If the sub does not submerge and so is part of a battle then it can be hit by any naval unit.

The exception is planes, which cannot hit a sub unless they are accompanied by a destroyer.

I hope that is clear.

@Private-Panic said in Attacking multiple territories in one combat move?:

Also subs not involved in combat can move into hostile sea zones in which there is no enemy destroyer present.

A small correction: Subs can even move into seazones containing an enemy destroyer:
Rulebook, 1941, page 20:

Submarines: Unlike other sea units, submarines can move through and even into hostile sea zones during this phase.
However, a submarine must end its movement when it enters a sea zone containing one or more enemy destroyers.

@jwarf Welcome to the forum :slightly_smiling_face:

Hi Grumphry.
No. If a Sub’s target survives, it can always retaliate.
Submerging is instead of attacking or defending. A Sub cannot attack and submerge in he same round.
It is always worth attacking a lone Carrier with Fighters on board, if the Fighters do not have a safe place to land, as they will go down with the Carrier. The lesson is: always keep a Destroyer with your fleet, if the enemy has a Sub in range.

Glad to have helped. Hope you love the game as much as I do …. :-D

@Chiclet:

How does it make logical sense that a transport may pass through a seazone by itself unharmed with an enemy sub in that seazone, but that transport cannot ignore a sub when attempting to do an amphib assault by itself?? to me it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense

I don’t know what the exact reasoning behind the rule itself is, but in terms of the real world it does make a certain mount of logical sense.  When a transport ship is travelling across the ocean, in potentially hostile waters, it’s trying as much as possible to avoid being found by an enemy sub.  It keeps radio silence, it maintains a blackout a night, and it makes frequent course changes.  It also helps that it has a whole ocean to lose itself in, though of course this factor is partially neutralized by the fact that the further a ship strays from the known shipping lanes the longer it takes to reach its destination.  By contrast, an amphibious landing – by its very nature – involves attacking a fixed point (whose location immediately becomes known to the enemy when the attacking ships show up and open fire) and maintaining a relatively static position off the shore of that point, which makes it easy for any enemy subs in the area to converge on that position.

@mikemikemike said in Submarine surprise attack:

@krieghund said in Submarine surprise attack:

A unit that takes a hit from a Surprise Strike is removed immediately and does not return fire.  The only exceptions are a battleship which is taking its first hit (as it not destroyed) and a sub which also gets a Surprise Strike (as it is firing at the same time).

And an Aircraft Carrier, too.

Carriers do not have two hits in this game.

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