@trulpen said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:
I’m tired now. Can continue first tomorrow. Is US looking good?
Looks good. Two suggestions. 1) put the bomber in scotland so that you have the option of reaching Moscow. 2) you left an inf on a transport in 33. Not a big deal but I would leave it on the island.
@farmboy said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:
@trulpen said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:
I’m tired now. Can continue first tomorrow. Is US looking good?
Looks good. Two suggestions. 1) put the bomber in scotland so that you have the option of reaching Moscow. 2) you left an inf on a transport in 33. Not a big deal but I would leave it on the island.
That’s a good idea.
The inf on the tr is actually intentional. It gives the option of being able to take an island with one unit and bring the other, thereby mildering the effect air-strikes taking out scarce land units.
I’m thinking that the fleet won’t stay by the Carolines.
There are two alternatives. Either swing down to z54, which is safe and pressures the DEI, or, more aggressively clamp down on Iwo Jima as an outpost for attack against Korea or even Tokyo. The latter is usually not very practical and Japan has a pretty easy task of defending.
Think it will be Outpost Australia.
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0
Game History
Round: 3
Purchase Units - Americans
Americans buy 2 carriers, 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Politics - Americans
Trigger Americans Friendly With Mongolians activates a trigger called: Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians
Combat Move - Americans
1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 transports moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
1 cruiser moved from 89 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
2 fighters moved from 89 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
1 bomber moved from British Guiana to Gibraltar
Combat - Americans
Battle in Gibraltar
Americans attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
Italians defend with 1 harbour and 2 infantry
Americans roll dice for 1 cruiser in Gibraltar, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits
Americans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Gibraltar, round 2 : 5/7 hits, 2,67 expected hits
Italians roll dice for 2 infantry in Gibraltar, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
1 infantry owned by the Americans and 2 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Gibraltar
Americans win, taking Gibraltar from Italians with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
Casualties for Italians: 2 infantry
Non Combat Move - Americans
1 bomber moved from Gibraltar to Morocco
2 fighters moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
2 carriers moved from 89 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 89 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
1 carrier moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
2 fighters moved from Western United States to Hawaiian Islands
1 destroyer moved from 25 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Caroline Islands to 33 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
1 artillery moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland
2 submarines moved from 30 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters and 1 submarine moved from 33 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
1 destroyer moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
1 transport moved from 89 Sea Zone to 88 Sea Zone
1 armour and 1 infantry moved from British Guiana to 88 Sea Zone
1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 88 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
1 aaGun moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Central United States to Western United States
1 aaGun and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 88 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from British Guiana to 88 Sea Zone
1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 88 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 88 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from British Guiana to 88 Sea Zone
1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 88 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
Place Units - Americans
2 carriers and 1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone
1 infantry placed in Western United States
3 fighters placed in Eastern United States
Turn Complete - Americans
Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 52 PUs
Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 62 PUs
Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs
Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Italians : 0,33
Americans : 2,83
Did a small mistake and used the sb for Gibraltar, so it can’t land in Scotland. Well, didn’t want to fail there.
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0
Game History
Round: 3
Purchase Units - Americans
Americans buy 2 carriers, 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Politics - Americans
Trigger Americans Friendly With Mongolians activates a trigger called: Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians
Combat Move - Americans
1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 transports moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
1 cruiser moved from 89 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
2 fighters moved from 89 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
1 bomber moved from British Guiana to Gibraltar
Combat - Americans
Battle in Gibraltar
Americans attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
Italians defend with 1 harbour and 2 infantry
Americans roll dice for 1 cruiser in Gibraltar, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits
Americans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Gibraltar, round 2 : 5/7 hits, 2,67 expected hits
Italians roll dice for 2 infantry in Gibraltar, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
1 infantry owned by the Americans and 2 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Gibraltar
Americans win, taking Gibraltar from Italians with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
Casualties for Italians: 2 infantry
Non Combat Move - Americans
1 bomber moved from Gibraltar to Morocco
2 fighters moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
2 carriers moved from 89 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 89 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
1 carrier moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
2 fighters moved from Western United States to Hawaiian Islands
1 destroyer moved from 25 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Caroline Islands to 33 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
1 artillery moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland
2 submarines moved from 30 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters and 1 submarine moved from 33 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
1 destroyer moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
1 transport moved from 89 Sea Zone to 88 Sea Zone
1 armour and 1 infantry moved from British Guiana to 88 Sea Zone
1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 88 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
1 aaGun moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Central United States to Western United States
1 aaGun and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 88 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from British Guiana to 88 Sea Zone
1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 88 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 88 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from British Guiana to 88 Sea Zone
1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 88 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
Place Units - Americans
2 carriers and 1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone
1 infantry placed in Western United States
3 fighters placed in Eastern United States
Turn Complete - Americans
Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 52 PUs
Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 62 PUs
Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs
Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Italians : 0,33
Americans : 2,83
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0
Game History
Round: 3
Purchase Units - Chinese
Trigger Chinese Artillery Supplies: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Open
Chinese buy 3 artilleries and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Combat Move - Chinese
1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
2 infantry moved from Kweichow to Shensi
1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Shensi
1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Thinking about this, but we have alternatives.
The attack on Kwangsi for instance, only using 2 inf and hoping for luck. Big risk of failure though. Or just skip that attack to maximize forces up north.
I think the stack belongs in Kweichow.
Using the SB on Gib is fine. I had suggested Scotland as the way to get it to Moscow but you have another turn to do so there is no urgency.
For the US fleet, 54 is good in it saves you the ANZAC blocker and you can reach the islands and Malaya, but I would still probably stick with Caroline Islands in that it gives you the range to threaten his fleet in 36, and limit Japan spending. He doesn’t need to do much to stop it but I think this ties his fleet up there more and makes placement more difficult. It might be that the US fleet is too underpowered at the moment to really threaten that but if it can, that would be my suggestion.
And I would also put some US air (From Hawaii) in Wake Island to give you a bit more range. But I would probably move some of the ANZAC subs and destroyer to 54 to give you some more range.
I’m not sure you need to attack both right now. You could just stack Hunan and maybe hit the inf in Kwangsi with a fighter and 2 inf.
to be clear, on limiting Japan spending, if you are on 54, then he can safely build 3 inf in FIC and new transports and fleet in 06 without having to worry about protecting those units. In Caroline Islands, if he wants more transports (to replace ones that he is going to lose), he either pulls fleet back to Japan or builds them in FIC.
Why not stay in Carolines? You can’t be attacked at advantage. Especially if he is focused on India. You attack 3 DEI islands + Philippines + Tokyo and Korea. Forces him to decide what is important.
Yes, you might be right about it.
The fleet is still a bit unstable/underpowered, even on defence. I haven’t calculated, but think that the JN can smash it, so need a blocker. My reason for z54 was simply to save the aussie des, but maybe it’s worth it?
I feel though that the USN doesn’t pose much threat at all. Everything is easily defendable. And when UK-Pac evacuates Calcutta, there’s no reason to shift over much fleet to the west anyway.
@trulpen I think it still makes more sense to split the air placed in the US (1-2 in WUS).
Your threat to 6 (the fleet + 6-8 air) is pretty significant and he would have to pull fleet back to 6 to build navy there and bring air with them. He then would need to move air back to the carriers in 36 or at least place a blocker. And if you pull the UK fleet around and have the 6 UK air in range, he has to do more to protect that fleet in 39. And if he wants the money islands he needs to send 2 transports out.
All of this means that his threat to India will be reduced and a subsequent effort to stack it might have a more significant cost to his air.
If you are in 54, he doesn’t have to protect 6 to build there, and he doesn’t need to protect 36 and he can just move most of the fleet with the transport to Java, protect that transport, continue to threaten India. Blockers should be used sparingly, but I think this might be one of those situations where it is worth it.
@farmboy said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:
I’m not sure you need to attack both right now. You could just stack Hunan and maybe hit the inf in Kwangsi with a fighter and 2 inf.
I want to get rid of as many japanese land units as possible in the north.
I’ll change the US set-up. Stay by the Carolines.
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0
Game History
Round: 3
Purchase Units - Chinese
Trigger Chinese Artillery Supplies: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Open
Chinese buy 3 artilleries and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Combat Move - Chinese
Turning on Edit Mode
EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
2 infantry moved from Kweichow to Shensi
1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Shensi
1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
EDIT: 1 infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland
EDIT: Chinese undo move 6.
EDIT: 1 artillery moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
EDIT: 1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters, 1 infantry, 3 submarines and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
EDIT: 1 artillery moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
EDIT: 2 fighters moved from Hawaiian Islands to Wake Island
EDIT: 2 fighters moved from Eastern United States to Western United States
EDIT: 1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to Western United States
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
For China, I’d prefer to attack Shensi as you did, but ignore Kwangsi. If India was still in the game, then do it so you could grab Kwangtung for UK. But now that money will not go to Allies. And the 3 inf will be eliminated by FIC
Better, IMHO is to move all north to Kweichow, and threaten interior forces that he can’t replace easily. Allow you to roam easily for 2-3 turns
@surfer said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:
For China, I’d prefer to attack Shensi as you did, but ignore Kwangsi. If India was still in the game, then do it so you could grab Kwangtung for UK. But now that money will not go to Allies. And the 3 inf will be eliminated by FIC
Better, IMHO is to move all north to Kweichow, and threaten interior forces that he can’t replace easily. Allow you to roam easily for 2-3 turns
That’s what I’m leaning towards. Thanks!
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0
Game History
Round: 3
Purchase Units - Chinese
Trigger Chinese Artillery Supplies: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Open
Chinese buy 3 artilleries and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Combat Move - Chinese
Turning on Edit Mode
EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
2 infantry moved from Kweichow to Shensi
1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Shensi
EDIT: 1 infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland
EDIT: Chinese undo move 6.
EDIT: 1 artillery moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
EDIT: 1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters, 1 infantry, 3 submarines and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
EDIT: 1 artillery moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
EDIT: 2 fighters moved from Hawaiian Islands to Wake Island
EDIT: 2 fighters moved from Eastern United States to Western United States
EDIT: 1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to Western United States
Combat - Chinese
Battle in Shensi
Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
Japanese defend with 1 infantry
Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Shensi, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Shensi, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Shensi
Chinese win, taking Shensi from Japanese with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
Non Combat Move - Chinese
1 fighter moved from Shensi to Kweichow
1 artillery and 16 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kweichow
Place Units - Chinese
1 infantry placed in Tsinghai
3 artilleries placed in Kweichow
Turn Complete - Chinese
Chinese collect 7 PUs; end with 7 PUs
Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 13 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Chinese : 1,17
Japanese : 0,67
