@Arthur-Bomber-Harris an art build early is usually my preference too.
The inf in Baltic is meant to deny Germany Leningrad for another turn. So the trade is -5 for Russia )2 lost inf but +1 and -7 and no G5 build for Germany.
@farmboy We definitely need UK fighters in Moscow on UK5 or else Russia will fall to a G6 attack. He hasn’t lost any planes and did well in his G1 attack on Paris. At the very least, we need to make it a costly attack.
I assume that he will pivot to attack the Middle East and hook up with Japanese forces.
@farmboy he still can take out the Baltic blocker with his italian bomber and rush in with a German tank. Crazy expensive plan to hold Leningrad for a turn.
@Arthur-Bomber-Harris attacking and stacking Karelia then gives the UK air in London a route to Moscow. So he loses 2 tanks and a mech from the defense but gains up to 6 air. In a subsequent turn, he is also going to have trouble defending scandinavia from the allies
@farmboy okay now I understand. let me run the math
@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:
@farmboy he still can take out the Baltic blocker with his italian bomber and rush in with a German tank. Crazy expensive plan to hold Leningrad for a turn.
the bomber adds a risk which might make it worth it to give up Leningrad. That is certainly true. You acn still block the Germans with air but that is not a good trade. At the same time, it is a risky attack for the Italian bomber.
@farmboy I ran the numbers. At most you just need one mech to join the Karelia fight. Probably don’t even need that. Have the fighter attack the Karelia push, and use the UK bomber to take out the German transport.
Interesting thought: have the UK planes strafe the Finland infantry, allowing the Russian tank to blitz into Sweden to save Trulpen’s hometown. It is a bit ballsy, but crazy good since he has no way to retake Scandinavia. Most likely will lose 2 planes, with a massive income boost for Russia.
@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:
Interesting thought: have the UK planes strafe the Finland infantry, allowing the Russian tank to blitz into Sweden to save Trulpen’s hometown. It is a bit ballsy, but crazy good since he has no way to retake Scandinavia. Most likely will lose 2 planes, with a massive income boost for Russia.
it would be very tempting, but at this point an unlikely roll might be game decisive. The air in Karelia save Moscow and the allies have time to push on the Med or on Norway.
I agree that the less he needs to bring into Karelia, the better, but assuming a German defensive hit, a German strafe (5 inf 4 air) can do damage to the UK air if there are not enough Soviet land units to absorb the damage. Agree though that he can attack with less and then adjust based on the hits. He also has to think about whether all the allied air should go in. He was thinking about 4-5 but it is probably the case that he should go all in.
And yes, the bomber is a better option for hitting the transport.
unlucky not unlikely roll
Thanks for your input and going through the plan with more concrete analysis, all while yours truly were out on a 10 km run. Good cooperation! :grin:
I’m liking this idea of an aggressive north, without investing too much, like putting 7 inf and 4 art there heading to be toast (just an example).
I agree that the UK bomber has a well deserved task of kicking the trannies ass and that the russian forces will be used for better causes.
The risk of italian bomber-can-opening in the Baltic or Belarus dissuades me from both building the mechs and having air in Leningrad. Using 2 + 2 inf to block both positions is just too costly.
Still think the plan with 6 figs in Karelia is a good one.
If Leningrad is empty, I don’t think we should be discontent with Italy risking it’s bomber while pansar head north instead of east.
Hey, if the figs go to Karelia, one of the can pick off the trannie and the bomber can do some damage on the WG MIC.
I’m not at all convinced about this, but have now finally decided upon building 3 mechs in Leningrad, or, if the north fails, in Stalingrad. The latter certainly is a bit risky, but carries some potential.
Lets put this in the category “attack is the best defence”.
And I know that Germany don’t care as much about Leningrad as Moscow, but the lower income they have the longer, the easier it will be for the Allies to push through on the west front.
Lets also put this in the category “heroic sacrifices for the greater good”.
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0
Game History
Round: 3
Purchase Units - Russians
Russians buy 9 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Combat Move - Russians
Turning on Edit Mode
EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
1 infantry moved from Belarus to Baltic States
Russians take Baltic States from Germans
1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Vyborg
2 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Novgorod to Karelia
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Novgorod to Vyborg
1 mech_infantry moved from Caucasus to Iraq
Russians take Iraq from Neutral_Axis
1 fighter moved from Novgorod to Karelia
Combat - Russians
Russians creates battle in territory 125 Sea Zone
Battle in Karelia
Russians attack with 2 armour, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
Germans defend with 1 infantry
Russians roll dice for 2 armour, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 2,00 expected hits
Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Karelia
Russians win, taking Karelia from Germans with 2 armour, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
Battle in Vyborg
Russians attack with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
Germans defend with 1 infantry
Russians roll dice for 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Vyborg, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1,33 expected hits
Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Vyborg, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
Russians roll dice for 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Vyborg, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 1,33 expected hits
Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Vyborg, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Vyborg
retreated to Vyborg
Germans win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
Non Combat Move - Russians
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Vyborg to Russia
1 fighter moved from Karelia to Russia
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans : 1,00
Russians : -2,67
May I say the F-word?
Horrible dice in the north.
G kills off an inf in Karelia and stands untouched in Vyborg.
Now there’s a choice to make. I’m considering securing Leningrad, but it hurts.
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0
Game History
Round: 3
Purchase Units - Russians
Russians buy 9 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Combat Move - Russians
Turning on Edit Mode
EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
1 infantry moved from Belarus to Baltic States
Russians take Baltic States from Germans
1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Vyborg
2 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Novgorod to Karelia
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Novgorod to Vyborg
1 mech_infantry moved from Caucasus to Iraq
Russians take Iraq from Neutral_Axis
1 fighter moved from Novgorod to Karelia
Combat - Russians
Russians creates battle in territory 125 Sea Zone
Battle in Karelia
Russians attack with 2 armour, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
Germans defend with 1 infantry
Russians roll dice for 2 armour, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 2,00 expected hits
Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Karelia
Russians win, taking Karelia from Germans with 2 armour, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
Battle in Vyborg
Russians attack with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
Germans defend with 1 infantry
Russians roll dice for 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Vyborg, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1,33 expected hits
Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Vyborg, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
Russians roll dice for 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Vyborg, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 1,33 expected hits
Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Vyborg, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Vyborg
retreated to Vyborg
Germans win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
Non Combat Move - Russians
6 infantry moved from Yenisey to Timguska
2 aaGuns and 12 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Yenisey
2 infantry moved from Rostov to Bryansk
3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bryansk
2 aaGuns, 2 artilleries and 12 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk
6 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
1 infantry moved from Belarus to Baltic States
2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 15 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Vyborg to Novgorod
1 fighter moved from Karelia to Novgorod
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans : 1,00
Russians : -2,67
Alternative is of course to abandon Leningrad all-together and build the mechs in Stalingrad instead, keeping only 1 inf as blocker in Belarus.
The figs should still be safe in Karelia.
My gosh, so much spent to kill 1 German and keep Novogorod for an additional turn. Wow, that just wrecked the game.
@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:
My gosh, so much spent to kill 1 German and keep Novogorod for an additional turn. Wow, that just wrecked the game.
Not at all. The pressure on the western front will be enormous in just a little while and Germany is very low on income. They will have a hard time handling both fronts. I hope.
