Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB

Arthur Bomber Harris

retreat what you can to India. retreat the rest to Burma. It won’t be an easy attack on Burma because he has no land units. He will lose planes to strafe off the soldiers. Or he will need to transport troops that would have been used on J4 for the India crush. Not the worst either way.

Arthur Bomber Harris

If you can, have Egpytian planes in Persia to reinforce India if that makes sense on UK3.

Arthur Bomber Harris

Actually East Persia is better to give you more flexibility.

Arthur Bomber Harris

There is nothing you can do when Japan truly wants a J4 India crush, but you can make it a bit more costly, making him lose more planes.

trulpen

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:

retreat what you can to India. retreat the rest to Burma. It won’t be an easy attack on Burma because he has no land units. He will lose planes to strafe off the soldiers. Or he will need to transport troops that would have been used on J4 for the India crush. Not the worst either way.

The chinese will take care of Burma if anything lands there.

I just noticed I made a horrible mistake regarding purchase. My plan was to buy a mIC in Persia. Unfortunately slipped my mind. That factory is key to our plans. I’d say much more important than the ac.

I’m therefore asking @AndrewAAGamer to allow a change of purchase. I’d like to exchange the ac for a mIC in Persia and 1 inf, 1 mech in S Africa.

trulpen

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:

retreat what you can to India. retreat the rest to Burma. It won’t be an easy attack on Burma because he has no land units. He will lose planes to strafe off the soldiers. Or he will need to transport troops that would have been used on J4 for the India crush. Not the worst either way.

He has plenty of land units via amphibious attack.

Arthur Bomber Harris

@trulpen yes, but the two land units used to attack Burma will die before they can attack India. That is a win for the Allies.

Arthur Bomber Harris

@trulpen are you sure you want a mIC in Persia, that would be an attractive target for Japan to attack after the India crush. I haven’t played this skip-China plan before, but it gives him more room to focus on the Middle East and Russia if he so chooses.

I haven’t run the numbers though.

trulpen

Exactly my point. Anything that goes there will die and even allow UK landing air there if we care for it. We don’t need to protect the area with valuable units. Anything standing in Burma I’d say is dead, so that’s a loss for the Allies.

Of course, I do acknowledge that J is low on land in the vicinity. Any land disappearing from the final blow is a win for Allies. Might make it reasonable to put 1 inf there. I’ll mull over it while listening to your impressions.

trulpen

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:

@trulpen are you sure you want a mIC in Persia, that would be an attractive target for Japan to attack after the India crush. I haven’t played this skip-China plan before, but it gives him more room to focus on the Middle East and Russia if he so chooses.

I haven’t run the numbers though.

I’m pretty sure. He’ll be very low on land. Can’t contest that mIC, I’m sure, especially with the UK-forces around. Has to take Italy into account, but I think we do have control in the region.

trulpen

Have to consider the placement of the fleet. An alternative is z79, keeping things awkward for J.

trulpen

Have no air to land on them though, so likely a bad idea.

majikforce

@trulpen Now I haven’t looked at the map but I have played Andrew and he completely ignored china and went for India. He controlled India and the DEI and the US spent the rest of the game trying to build carriers to match Japan. So maybe a little insight into his thinking.

trulpen

Thanks! This looks to be the case now. Which means we have to try and plan accordingly.

trulpenplay

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: British round 2

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0

Game History

Round: 2

    Combat Move - British
        1 fighter moved from Malta to 96 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Egypt to 96 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Burma to Shan State
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Shan State

    Combat - British
        British creates battle in territory 110 Sea Zone
        Battle in 96 Sea Zone
            British attack with 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
            Italians defend with 1 destroyer
                British roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1,67 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 96 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1,67 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer in 96 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Italians lost in 96 Sea Zone
            British win with 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer
        Battle in Shan State
            British attack with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                British roll dice for 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Shan State, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1,83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Shan State, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Shan State
            British win, taking Shan State from Japanese with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - British
        1 infantry moved from Persia to Northwest Persia
              British take Northwest Persia from Neutral_Allies
        1 infantry moved from Persia to Eastern Persia
              British take Eastern Persia from Neutral_Allies
        1 infantry moved from Persia to 80 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 80 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
        1 carrier, 2 cruisers and 2 destroyers moved from 80 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from 80 Sea Zone to 72 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Rhodesia to Tanganyika Territory
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 96 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt
        1 fighter moved from 96 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan
        2 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
        1 infantry moved from 81 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan
        1 artillery moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
        1 battleship and 2 cruisers moved from 109 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 109 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 106 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
        3 aaGuns and 1 infantry moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
        2 fighters moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
        2 mech_infantrys moved from India to Yunnan
        1 mech_infantry moved from Eire to United Kingdom
        1 aaGun moved from Burma to India
        2 infantry moved from Burma to India
        1 infantry moved from Burma to India
        1 aaGun moved from Burma to India
        1 battleship moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Burma to India
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Shan State to Yunnan
        1 fighter moved from Shan State to India
        1 fighter moved from Shan State to India

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

British : -3,17
Italians : -0,67
Japanese : -0,33

Savegame

farmboy

I would probably stick with the current build and set up except in Yunnan(I probably would be keeping more UK units in India. I’d leave Mech in India and move a couple of inf to Yunnan). The point of this turn is to pressure Italy/Germany to get back the Med and that will have costs in the Pacific. But I don’t know what you are planning with the mIC.

One benefit of having a couple of UK units in Yunnan is that it allows you to deny him Shan state as well which is what he will need to land some of his air on a full attack on India. He can likely still take India J4 if he wants but you also have the option of stacking Burma (with both UK and China units) if he goes for it. You would then have the option of retaking it (this is less useful in Global relative to BM since he can take your income twice but India’s income at this point will be pretty low). He can take and hold it eventually but this drags this out, leaves his units out of place and gives the US more time to put pressure on the other side and to reclaim the Med. It was good that you were able to be so aggressive with the US Navy despite the absence of carriers as that will still pull some of his units away from India as well.

trulpenplay

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: British round 2

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0

Game History

Round: 2

    Combat Move - British
        1 fighter moved from Malta to 96 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Egypt to 96 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Burma to Shan State
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Shan State

    Combat - British
        British creates battle in territory 110 Sea Zone
        Battle in 96 Sea Zone
            British attack with 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
            Italians defend with 1 destroyer
                British roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1,67 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 96 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1,67 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer in 96 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Italians lost in 96 Sea Zone
            British win with 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer
        Battle in Shan State
            British attack with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                British roll dice for 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Shan State, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1,83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Shan State, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Shan State
            British win, taking Shan State from Japanese with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - British
        1 infantry moved from Persia to Northwest Persia
              British take Northwest Persia from Neutral_Allies
        1 infantry moved from Persia to Eastern Persia
              British take Eastern Persia from Neutral_Allies
        1 infantry moved from Persia to 80 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 80 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
        1 carrier, 2 cruisers and 2 destroyers moved from 80 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from 80 Sea Zone to 72 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Rhodesia to Tanganyika Territory
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 96 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt
        1 fighter moved from 96 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan
        2 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
        1 infantry moved from 81 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan
        1 artillery moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
        1 battleship and 2 cruisers moved from 109 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 109 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 106 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
        3 aaGuns and 1 infantry moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
        2 fighters moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
        2 mech_infantrys moved from India to Yunnan
        1 mech_infantry moved from Eire to United Kingdom
        1 aaGun moved from Burma to India
        2 infantry moved from Burma to India
        1 infantry moved from Burma to India
        1 aaGun moved from Burma to India
        1 battleship moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Burma to India
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Shan State to Yunnan
        1 fighter moved from Shan State to India
        1 fighter moved from Shan State to India

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

British : -3,17
Italians : -0,67
Japanese : -0,33

Savegame

trulpen

Sorry for posting the map twice. Thought I reloaded the page, but apparently only went by notice, so it didn’t show up. Anyway, FYI, both last game posts are identical.

This is my present choice of NCMs.

@farmboy said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:

I would probably stick with the current build and set up except in Yunnan(I probably would be keeping more UK units in India. I’d leave Mech in India and move a couple of inf to Yunnan). The point of this turn is to pressure Italy/Germany to get back the Med and that will have costs in the Pacific. But I don’t know what you are planning with the mIC.

One benefit of having a couple of UK units in Yunnan is that it allows you to deny him Shan state as well which is what he will need to land some of his air on a full attack on India. He can likely still take India J4 if he wants but you also have the option of stacking Burma (with both UK and China units) if he goes for it. You would then have the option of retaking it (this is less useful in Global relative to BM since he can take your income twice but India’s income at this point will be pretty low). He can take and hold it eventually but this drags this out, leaves his units out of place and gives the US more time to put pressure on the other side and to reclaim the Med. It was good that you were able to be so aggressive with the US Navy despite the absence of carriers as that will still pull some of his units away from India as well.

I don’t see the point of keeping the mechs in Calcutta. I think they’re doing a far better job in Yunnan. If J enters Burma it’s not an issue since the space will be cleared before UK plays next turn.

Apart from that I’m on to that plan of stacking Calcutta with what is feasible.

farmboy

@trulpen Yunnan is fine for hte mechs too since they won’t get stranded. But the mechs in Calcutta allow you a land attack on Shan state with more land units so he can’t take and hold it in order to land air. And they also can retreat to E Persia if that becomes necessary.

trulpen

@farmboy said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:

@trulpen Yunnan is fine for hte mechs too since they won’t get stranded. But the mechs in Calcutta allow you a land attack on Shan state with more land units so he can’t take and hold it in order to land air. And they also can retreat to E Persia if that becomes necessary.

The first argument was very strange indeed :) , but I do agree upon the latter. However, our intent is not retreat and they may break some havoc in the asian mainland if it comes to that.

Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: British round 2

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: British round 2

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