Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB

trulpenplay · Jun 13, 2020, 3:06 PM

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Chinese round 2

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0

Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Artillery Supplies: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Open
        Chinese buy 4 artilleries; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Chinese
        2 infantry moved from Shensi to Kweichow
        1 fighter moved from Burma to Kweichow
        1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
              Chinese take Kwangsi from Japanese

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

trulpen · Jun 13, 2020, 3:07 PM

My suggestion.

trulpen · Jun 13, 2020, 3:07 PM

The point of attacking Kweichow with 2 inf is that I’d prefer if J can’t land air there to protect the stack.

surfer · Jun 13, 2020, 3:12 PM

Absolutely agree. Kill Japanese inf at anytime with China. It’s their main advantage…land forces

trulpen · Jun 13, 2020, 3:22 PM

What about the buy? 4 or 5 units?

trulpen · Jun 13, 2020, 3:23 PM

Actually, I think that 4 inf, 1 art is stronger here.

surfer · Jun 13, 2020, 3:24 PM

This early in the game, I buy artillery because I’m never sure I’ll be there again.

trulpen · Jun 13, 2020, 3:24 PM

Point is that I’d like to maximize primarily the defence.

trulpen · Jun 13, 2020, 3:25 PM

Every extra unit is very valuable. I’m going for the 4 inf, 1 art purchase.

trulpen · Jun 13, 2020, 3:26 PM

But of course only if we’re sure that we’ll be able to hold Yunnan for another turn.

trulpenplay · Jun 13, 2020, 3:30 PM

TripleA Turn Summary: Chinese round 2

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0

Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Artillery Supplies: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Open
        Chinese buy 1 artillery and 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Chinese
        2 infantry moved from Shensi to Kweichow
        1 fighter moved from Burma to Kweichow
        1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
              Chinese take Kwangsi from Japanese

    Combat - Chinese
        Battle in Kweichow
            Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Kweichow, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kweichow, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Kweichow, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kweichow, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Kweichow
            Chinese win, taking Kweichow from Japanese with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Chinese
        1 fighter moved from Kweichow to Yunnan
        1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan

    Place Units - Chinese
        1 artillery and 4 infantry placed in Yunnan

    Turn Complete - Chinese
        Chinese collect 9 PUs; end with 9 PUs
        Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 15 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese : 0,33
Japanese : -0,67

Savegame

trulpen · Jun 13, 2020, 3:31 PM

This was the chinese. Now we need to keep Calcutta safe, but also get stuff into Yunnan with UK.

surfer · Jun 13, 2020, 3:37 PM

the next concern I have is defending India from next turn.
Disappointed, we can’t kill lone transport without sacrificing CV, but hey that’s the game

I would plan on 2 inf + planes take shan State. Send 1-2 AA + 2 mob inf to Yunnan.
Ftrs return to India to defend against SBR
The tac ftr can go back to Yunnan.
Pull back 4 inf+art+1AA and I believe you will defend at 20-80 against J3. So he won’t do it, but after taking down the rest of the DEI, we will need to plan for more reinforcements.

I guess since India is safe, we don’t have to move from Yunnan so it is safe for a turn as well. I which case, yes, go ahead a max out # of units.

Arthur Bomber Harris · Jun 13, 2020, 3:49 PM

@trulpen I am so confused why you didn’t buy 4 art with China?

farmboy · Jun 13, 2020, 3:53 PM

India is pretty safe at this point. If Axis set up to take it next turn, you can always stack Burma with the China, and UK units and he will only get it for one turn. But I do agree with your pacific choices.

@surfer said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:

the next concern I have is defending India from next turn.
Disappointed, we can’t kill lone transport without sacrificing CV, but hey that’s the game

I would plan on 2 inf + planes take shan State. Send 1-2 AA + 2 mob inf to Yunnan.
Ftrs return to India to defend against SBR
The tac ftr can go back to Yunnan.
Pull back 4 inf+art+1AA and I believe you will defend at 20-80 against J3. So he won’t do it, but after taking down the rest of the DEI, we will need to plan for more reinforcements.

I guess since India is safe, we don’t have to move from Yunnan so it is safe for a turn as well. I which case, yes, go ahead a max out # of units.

trulpen · Jun 13, 2020, 4:13 PM

Thanks for the input, all of you!

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:

@trulpen I am so confused why you didn’t buy 4 art with China?

The reason is that China won’t yet be an aggressive force and one more unit in Yunnan further dissuades an all-out J attack. Having a lot of art and then getting annihilated is of not much use.

Arthur Bomber Harris · Jun 13, 2020, 5:18 PM

@trulpen The best way to dissuade Japan from attacking the China stack is by having enough offensive power so that he can’t put a good stack of infantry next to it. The art build makes it virtually impossible for him to stand toe-to-toe in an adjacent territory. You have one less unit than the inf build, but he is not going to be able to threaten it for the foreseeable future.

Do review the history. He intentionally skipped the Hunan attack on J1. The only reason I see for this would be if he is planning on skipping China and instead focusing on moving his Japanese units into Russia and the Middle East. India, when attacked, will be an amphibious landing. I don’t see him getting enough forces to Burma any time soon to survive a counterattack by India.

AndrewAAGamer · Jun 13, 2020, 5:22 PM

@trulpen said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:

I have a question regarding these particular 3-nation-turns: Would you allow us to be able to change things that are not affected by dice for the nation’s preceeding? Namely US and Ch while UK goes?

Yes, as long as it is obviously not affected by any dice rolling I am good with this since it is a teaching game.

surfer · Jun 13, 2020, 5:40 PM

In general, yes I agree with @Arthur-Bomber-Harris, but in this case, Japan cannot stack people anywhere near Yunnan, except FIC. Unfortunately, China can’t attack FIC so maximizing attack is not useful. If the 7 units in Hopei attempt to move down, we will crush them regardless of what we buy. Now that would vacate Yunnan for the round, but we still get the +6 and artillery buy to strike back at whatever units the Japanese attack with 2 rounds from now.

But for now, we need to maximize boots on the moon…no that’s Space Force…boots on the ground to make Japan’s attack as difficult as possible.

WindowWasher · Jun 14, 2020, 5:14 AM

Whats the point of having things in SZ89? Is it to be sneaky? To protect Panama? To get around blockers?

Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Chinese round 2

TripleA Turn Summary: Chinese round 2

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