So, as I start my Turn is Rome safe? I did not mention that for Berlin or Tokyo on their first Turn’s as they are always safe on Turn 1. Italy normally must look to make sure Rome is safe however in this case there are no transports in range so yes Rome is safe.
As Italy, I am pleasantly surprised to have my SZ97 fleet, Tobruk and Ethiopia forces all surviving. Wow pretty cool. That gives me lots of choices. The top two would be a) a money grab or b) go for Egypt.
a) Italy can get a bunch of money. I can take Gibraltar with one transport and then land German air there to protect it. The US-UK attack is minimal and Italy can easily hold it for at least one Turn. With the other transport I can beef up my attack on Greece and take it this Turn too. The only downside is I have to ignore Yugoslavia to take Southern France as well. That would provide Italy with two NOs for a total of $25. That is one heck of a payday for Italy on Turn 1.
b) Go for an Egypt capture on I2. Italy can get a total of 10 ground units into Alexandria and 3 into Anglo-Egypt Sudan. By building a single transport Italy would have four more ground units join the attack via the sea on IT2 so that is a total of 17 ground units plus 3 planes and a bombard. UK would probably hit the Sudan with two infantries plus a bombard and 2 planes thus removing 2 defenders and three attackers. Expected attack would be:
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0
Game History
Round: 1
Purchase Units - Italians
Italians buy 1 artillery and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Combat Move - Italians
2 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from 92 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
1 destroyer moved from 95 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to 96 Sea Zone
1 cruiser moved from 95 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
1 submarine moved from 95 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 97 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
1 armour and 2 infantry moved from Albania to Greece
2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Greece
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Libya to Tunisia
1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to Tunisia
1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Ethiopia to British Somaliland
Italians take British Somaliland from British
1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to British Somaliland
1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Tobruk to 96 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 96 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 97 Sea Zone to Greece
2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
1 armour moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
Combat - Italians
Battle in Gibraltar
Battle in 93 Sea Zone
Italians attack with 1 battleship, 2 cruisers and 1 submarine
French defend with 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 93 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
Italians roll dice for 1 battleship and 2 cruisers in 93 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits
French roll dice for 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer in 93 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Italians
1 destroyer owned by the French and 1 cruiser owned by the French lost in 93 Sea Zone
Italians win, taking Gibraltar from British, taking 93 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 battleship, 2 cruisers and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 20
Casualties for French: 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
Battle in 96 Sea Zone
Italians attack with 1 bomber and 1 destroyer
British defend with 1 submarine
Italians roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 destroyer in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
British roll dice for 1 submarine in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
Italians roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 destroyer in 96 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
British roll dice for 1 submarine in 96 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
1 submarine owned by the British lost in 96 Sea Zone
Italians win with 1 bomber and 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
Casualties for British: 1 submarine
Battle in Southern France
Italians attack with 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry
French defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry in Southern France, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits
French roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Southern France, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
1 infantry owned by the French, 1 infantry owned by the Italians and 1 artillery owned by the French lost in Southern France
Italians win, taking Southern France from French with 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
Casualties for French: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
Battle in Greece
Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 3 infantry
Neutral_Allies defend with 4 infantry
Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 3 infantry in Greece, round 2 : 3/7 hits, 2.50 expected hits
Neutral_Allies roll dice for 4 infantry in Greece, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
3 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Greece
Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Greece, round 3 : 2/6 hits, 2.33 expected hits
Neutral_Allies roll dice for 1 infantry in Greece, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Greece
Italians win, taking Greece from Neutral_Allies with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 4 infantry
Battle in Tunisia
Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
French defend with 1 infantry
Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Tunisia, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
French roll dice for 1 infantry in Tunisia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
1 infantry owned by the French lost in Tunisia
Italians win, taking Tunisia from French with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for French: 1 infantry
Non Combat Move - Italians
2 infantry moved from Tobruk to Libya
1 bomber moved from 96 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
2 fighters moved from Greece to Southern Italy
1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to France
2 aaGuns and 4 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
Place Units - Italians
1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Northern Italy
Turn Complete - Italians
Italians collect 16 PUs; end with 16 PUs
Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 21 PUs
Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 26 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Italians : 3.00
British : -0.33
French : 0.17
Neutral_Allies : -0.67
@AndrewAAGamer Yikes, that is the strongest that I have seen Italy in most OOB games in recent memory. Gibraltar will hold on for at least another turn, making for a very lucrative I2. That initial 50 bid didn’t make that much of a difference in the early game where it should have been a huge boost for the Allied opening.
I assume that the fast moving canopeners will be built in N Italy next turn? I am surprised that you didn’t build at least one mech this turn so you don’t accidentally lose a tank early on.
@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:
I assume that the fast moving canopeners will be built in N Italy next turn? I am surprised that you didn’t build at least one mech this turn so you don’t accidentally lose a tank early on.
I was more concerned about getting extra firepower for the Yugoslavia battle next Turn. However, thinking about it now, based on your suggestion, you are probably right. Buying a mechanized infantry this Turn would have been a good idea. See, I make mistakes too. Everyone does.
LOL, Italy has Gibraltar and can retake it if it loses it. Italy will be strong enough to nullify the UK from the Atlantic and to be a threat in Africa, all while doing a great job can opening and maybe even bombing the Soviet Union, unreal (Imagine the destruction that 3 Italian bombers could make, we can actually buy 2 more, that’s crazy. )
There are 5 British fighters in the UK and it’s not clear what they’ll do. Why are they still there? It must be to protect the ships, but hard to see what these ships will do anytime soon if Italy is able to reinforce Gibraltar with German air back up.
Germany is dancing around. Luftwaffe doesn’t have a scratch, there is no threat of landings/zero pressure and the R1 buy was heavy land units.
Agree with BomberHarris, don’t see what the bid gave us here.
@Omega1759 said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:
Agree with BomberHarris, don’t see what the bid gave us here.
Atleast it gave us lot of interesting discussion! :grin:
I agree with the sentiments.
I will do a quick aussie and french fry, so any points you want me to hear, now’s the time.
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0
Game History
Round: 1
Purchase Units - ANZAC
ANZAC buy 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Combat Move - ANZAC
Non Combat Move - ANZAC
1 cruiser moved from 63 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from 45 Sea Zone to Dutch New Guinea
ANZAC take Dutch New Guinea from Dutch
2 aaGuns and 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland
2 fighters moved from New Zealand to Queensland
Place Units - ANZAC
1 infantry placed in New South Wales
1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone
Turn Complete - ANZAC
ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs
Trigger ANZAC 1 Control Original And Malaya: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 15 PUs
Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 20 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0
Game History
Round: 1
Purchase Units - ANZAC
ANZAC buy 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Combat Move - ANZAC
Non Combat Move - ANZAC
1 cruiser moved from 63 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from 45 Sea Zone to Dutch New Guinea
ANZAC take Dutch New Guinea from Dutch
2 aaGuns and 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland
2 fighters moved from New Zealand to Queensland
Place Units - ANZAC
1 infantry placed in New South Wales
1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone
Turn Complete - ANZAC
ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs
Trigger ANZAC 1 Control Original And Malaya: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 15 PUs
Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 20 PUs
Combat Move - French
1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Holland Belgium
French take Holland Belgium from Germans
Combat - French
Non Combat Move - French
Turning on Edit Mode
EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Scotland
1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to Scotland
1 infantry moved from Algeria to Morocco
1 infantry moved from French West Africa to French Central Africa
1 infantry moved from Syria to Trans-Jordan
1 destroyer moved from 72 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
EDIT: 1 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State
Turn Complete - French
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
This is my suggestion. I’ll hold a short while, maybe a few hours before finalizing.
There’s a possibility of taking out the italian tr with the french fig, but it can wait until US with a sb. Here I follow the plan of stacking up protection for the z109 fleet.
Grabbing Holland is a must and other than that the french forces try to consolidate.
ANZAC built a tr and inf. Classic.
I choose to sacrifice a tr in order to annect DNG for the objective. Japan has 3 tr in the area and 4 target territories, i e Malaya and the rest of the DEI. Would be surprised if they include DNG as a fifth target at this point.
The figs land in Queensland, protecting the fleet.
I thought of buying a fig instead, but reasoned that US/ANZAC always needs tr’s in order to be able to project threats on the japanese position.
Ok, @AndrewAAGamer, the floor is yours.
This is going to be a painful second round. I assume that Germany will reinforce Gibraltar with a couple of planes, making it impervious to UK attack this round. If the UK Atlantic fleet parks in SZ91, I assume that Italy would be very happy to do a mutual-annihilation attack. That would prevent the Allies from having a credible threat in Europe for another few turns.
The main questions will be:
It is getting close to the point where I would give up as Allies and start a new game.
@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:
This is going to be a painful second round. I assume that Germany will reinforce Gibraltar with a couple of planes, making it impervious to UK attack this round. If the UK Atlantic fleet parks in SZ91, I assume that Italy would be very happy to do a mutual-annihilation attack. That would prevent the Allies from having a credible threat in Europe for another few turns.
The main questions will be:
- what will Italy do with their massive income for the next 3 turns.
- will Germany choose a northern or southern route on G3
It is getting close to the point where I would give up as Allies and start a new game.
Luckily I’m behind the wheel and I’m not giving up easily. Ask @666 or @ksmckay. ;)
I have a plan. Maybe not a good one, but as Bent Larsen said, you got to have a plan. And you’re in on it. Just hope my dabbling doesn’t dissuade your interest in the game.
The next few turns are relatively predictable, and I assume that you will switch a majority of USA spending to the Atlantic side, with UK starting to send reinforcements up to Russia. The bigger questions will be how Andrew starts preparing Fortress Europe, whether he opts for a quicker drive to Moscow, a diversion to the oil fields, or a Dark Skies bomber build. His main decision point will be on turn 2 since this next round has fairly obvious choices for each power.
I personally see this game as a perfect opportunity for Germany to build a bunch of bombers, making it expensive to build a sufficient Allied fleet in the Atlantic, rapidly respond to W Europe expeditionary forces, and still project power into Russia/oil fields.
I agree. For me this is mainly a learning process, which is the true point of the game, so I stagger on.
@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:
The next few turns are relatively predictable, and I assume that you will switch a majority of USA spending to the Atlantic side, with UK starting to send reinforcements up to Russia. The bigger questions will be how Andrew starts preparing Fortress Europe, whether he opts for a quicker drive to Moscow, a diversion to the oil fields, or a Dark Skies bomber build. His main decision point will be on turn 2 since this next round has fairly obvious choices for each power.
I personally see this game as a perfect opportunity for Germany to build a bunch of bombers, making it expensive to build a sufficient Allied fleet in the Atlantic, rapidly respond to W Europe expeditionary forces, and still project power into Russia/oil fields.
I think a quick drive to Moscow (aided by strategic bombing, maybe even Italian strategic bombing) is the way to go, combined with Japan going for India as quickly as possible (after securing DEI). If UK reinforces Moscow, India and the Middle East will fall. Without reinforcement, the Soviet Union will likely fall on G6. With reinforcement,
It would take considerable investment in the Atlantic for the US to catch up and the UK is committed to the middle east.
The Germans can destroy the UK destroyer, place the sub in 125 and start pushing into Russia whenever convenient (enabling strategic bombing to start, very tempting for Italians to buy a second strategic bomber for this purpose that can land into Eastern Poland on I3 and bomb Moscow on I4. The impact of the Italian raids and the general can opening pressure of the Italians (2 existing tanks + 2 fighters + 1 new tank + 2 mech purchased on I2 along with the new bomber) will force the Soviets to turtle.
Bombers can hit Soviet Union on G5 to finish the job.
There’s no chance of Soviets pushing back because the Italian can-opener will be too strong and a few German plans landing in those territories will crush any hope of counteratttack.
Germany would join bombing ray on
I’m sure Andrew will move forward very solidly. We’ll just try and do our best joint effort, which likely is less strong than singular play.
@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:
The next few turns are relatively predictable, and I assume that you will switch a majority of USA spending to the Atlantic side, with UK starting to send reinforcements up to Russia.
We’ll see. Japan is still the biggest threat here.
Okay let’s think about G2. Is my capital safe? Yes. There is still a large UK fleet so Sealion is still off the table. Thanks to Italy being strong they can fight for the Med and protect Western Europe. That should allow Germany to focus on Russia. Good.
If Germany is going for Moscow I need fast movers to put pressure on Moscow as quickly as possible. There are no possible landings on the Atlantic Wall so I can go 100% against Russia. Since Italy is strong I can take Normandy too with a good change of holding it.
