Hitting Turkey turns all true neutrals pro-Allies. Not sure if it is worth it when the allies are already making SO MUCH MORE per round than the Axis. Not saying it is not worth it, just wondering if it wouldn’t be better to go around via transport instead, since it also secures the med and n. Africa.
Battleship/cruiser with destroyer vs submarine
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Hello, I’am just started with playing A&A 1940 and have one question.
When a cruiser (or battleship) and a destroyer attacks an enemy submarine and both attacking ships roles a dice with number 3.
Normally the battleship placed a hit and the destroyer not. In my case, can you say:- Only the destroyer can hit a submarine and not a battleship so the submarine stays alive, or:
- It’s also aloud to put the hit of de battleship on the submarine (because there is a destroyer) and the submarine is killed.
Thanks in advance
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Option 2, a destroyer present allows everything to hit submarines including planes. :+1:
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@Moller Welcome to the forum :slightly_smiling_face:
The attacking destroyer prevents the submarine from submerging, so the submarine must fight.
The Battleship can hit the submarine.@WindowWasher said in Battleship/cruiser with destroyer vs submarine:
Option 2, a destroyer present allows everything to hit submarines including planes. :+1:
Not really. The destroyer only prevents the submarine from submerging and forces it into the battle.
Every sea unit with an attack value can hit a fighting submarine, regardless of the presence of a destroyer.
The presence of a destroyer enables planes to hit submarines, that part is correct. -
@WindowWasher said in Battleship/cruiser with destroyer vs submarine:
a destroyer present allows everything to hit submarines including planes
as a general rule… if there is a destroyer, everything can hit subs and they cant submerge, is what i meant to say…
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@Panther you means that without a destroyer every attacking ship can attack a submarine? The only advance for the submarine is that he can submerge before the battle but when he mis, the submarine can be attacked by a cruiser (for example?) I tought without a destroyer you can’t detect a submarine so you can’t attacked the submarine.
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@Moller
No Destroyer Present: A sub cannot be hit by air, can sneak attack, and can submerge whenever it wants too
EX: A sub is attacked by a battleship, a cruiser and a carrier with 2 fighters. The submarine can choose whether to fight or not because there is not destroyer present to force it to fight.Destroyer Present: A sub can be hit by air, cannot sneak attack, and cannot submerge.
EX: a Sub is attacked by a Battleship, Cruiser, destroyer, and a carrier with 2 fighters. The sub cannot submerge and must fight. The sub also can be hit by the air units on the carrier, but it cannot ever hit them back. -
@WindowWasher thanks a lot
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@Moller A submarine is a sea unit with an attack value and a defense value. What makes it special are its “Special Abilities”/unit characteristics as described by the rulebook(s) and (partly) outlined by @WindowWasher above.
Those are:- Surprise Strike (X)
- Submersible (X)
- On Station
- Treat Hostile Sea Zones as Friendly (X)
- Doesn’t Block Enemy Movement
- Can’t Hit Air Units
- Can’t Be Hit by Air Units (X)
An enemy destroyer cancels those unit characteristics marked with an (X).
@Moller said in Battleship/cruiser with destroyer vs submarine:
I tought without a destroyer you can’t detect a submarine so you can’t attacked the submarine.
This is not part of the rules, sorry.
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