@Private-Panic is up as Austria
Napoleon 8 Players - Game #16!
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@redrum Did you survive the battle or can we now surrender? 🤗
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@Private-Panic I think Napoleon didn’t survive the battle for Vienna… I’m fine surrendering or continuing.
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@redrum very brave of you to take on Vienna. We understand, if you need to concede now.
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It’s time to call it. They really do not have any avenue to victory. GGs to all.
I would play another.Does anyone else agree that France’s faction needs a bid? I understand the Coalition has lost plenty of times but with the fine-tuning of Coalition play, Caroliginians need multiple bad mis-plays from the enemy to win.
Does anyone agree or disagree? Would love to hear both sides of input. I know Leo has suggested an antibid of removing some UK island forces but I prefer normal bid rules that allow different tactics. -
@Colt45554 I would take away some British units. Oh you already said that!
Give France or Spain another Channel or Atlantic Frigate then. -
Will someone roll dice then, please? Then we can talk about a bid.
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@Wittmann slow down we don’t even know who’s playing! Haha
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I’ll play! :blush:
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Glad to play another one.
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I’m in for another game.
I’m not sold on a bid. Maybe something small for France’s side? Both the Ottomans and Sweden need a ton of luck to stay relevant in the game.
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I’m in too
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I’m in for another game
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6 of the last 8 games have been coalition wins.
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@Whackamatt would you roll dice for us, please?
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How do you want the bid to work? We all agree before hand that France needs 10, 20, or 30 points of stuff before hand and then dice for sides or everyone picks a small amount of bid and the four players that end as Carolinian players combine the 4 small amounts?
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I think the top two rolls could be captains for the bid. “Caroliginians for 8.” “caro for 7”…
Then the number one guy picks his nation from the faction he bid for then the second captain then normal pick.
Once the teams are decided, the 4 Caros can decide where their bid goesBut it would seem only Witt and I think a bid is necessary so we are outvoted!
The game can proceed as normal.
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I don’t know if a back-and-forth bid works when the sides are already determined. It’s not knowing who ends up on what side that makes the bid work.
I like a deviation of what Degrasse suggested; we predetermine how much the Caros get. However, instead of dictating that it all goes to France or whatever, I say either let the Caros themselves decide where it goes once sides are picked (+20 to Sweden!), or have a random roll decide who gets what. (+12 Spain, +8 Ottomans, +6 France, +4 Sweden).
Or perhaps a third option of predetermined and tiered by economy. France 12, Spain 8, Ottomans 6, Sweden 4.
The only power I haven’t felt threatened as at the beginning is Spain, but then I sometimes feel like I didn’t affect the game at all as Spain.
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In my suggestion the sides aren’t determined before bid. The top two rolls/picks bid against each other then the other 6 players select.
But I’m ok playing without a bid again unless more of the others agree france’s side is at disadvantage. Degrasse did point out that France’s side has performed well in these games.
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Spain starts very slow and won’t affect the game balance much till the middle or late game. My thought would be the Caros would distribute the bid as they wanted to and before picking sides we would pick a number of points. 6 of 8 wins for the coalition to me says a small bid, perhaps around 10 or so.
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I am happy with whatever everyone else decides.
My only thought is to keep it very simple. For example a bid of 8 to France. Each time the Caro’s win that reduces by one; if they lose it goes up by one. Other than that we pick sides, etc as we have done previously.