L20 #2 Oysteilo (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+9) BM3

oysteilo

Well, if you had edited correctly and given siam to UK pacific in the first place, then what?

I think what I am saying is correct, but feel free to request a ruling. I am not accepting the second convoy roll as i believe the first set is the one we should go with (I can be mistaken, but this is my understanding)

Amon-Sul

i do not have a problem with few ipc more or less, all though uk pacific doesnt have much so it can mean,

i just think i am right here

and its more like a principle,

but i think its the best we seek moderator mediation, Gamerman?

and we have a final word on it,

i have no problem with it, and we have the time to play

ok?

Amon-Sul

@oysteilo said in L20 #2 Oysteilo (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+9) BM3:

Well, if you had edited correctly and given siam to UK pacific in the first place, then what?

I think what I am saying is correct, but feel free to request a ruling. I am not accepting the second convoy roll as i believe the first set is the one we should go with (I can be mistaken, but this is my understanding)

i ve gave siam to uk pacific after the convoy rolls

if i hadnt, there wouldnt be 2 rolls

Amon-Sul

thats the thing

the first convoy rolls were rolled on uk turn. (since uk had siam then)

the second rolls were rolled on uk pacific turn, but they were the first rolls on uk pacific turn

both interpretations (urs and mine) have a logic pattern, so i think its the best we give it to the moderators to decide ?

oysteilo

I am not at the map right now so it is a little difficult for me to be 100% sure, but there should only be one convoy roll and if you did the siam edit after the convoy roll then I certainly do not understand why there are 2 set of rolls

I am fine with gamerman or 666 or even someone else

Amon-Sul

UK has Siam
UK Pacific has Malaya and Shan State

its logical there are two sets of rolls

Amon-Sul

I ve done the edit in siam (taking of territory) before any rolls

but i didnt edit the owner (from british to uk pacific) before any rolls

Amon-Sul

@gamerman01

We have a moderator issue here.

Can U solve it ?

thanks

oysteilo

i dont know what the right thing is here and I think we should ask which convoy rolls should be used.

Can anyone rule this? @gamerman01 , @666 or even @JDOW

Amon-Sul

ok, its better we solve it this way and then we know if anything similar happens in the future , what to do.

cheers

666

@oysteilo said in L20 #2 Oysteilo (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+9) BM3:

i dont know what the right thing is here and I think we should ask which convoy rolls should be used.

Can anyone rule this? @gamerman01 , @666 or even @JDOW

I am NOT your guy, I can’t seem to get the rules straight all the time, haha…

@Adam514 is your man if Gamerman isn’t around.

Adam514

I’d say reroll the convoy.

oysteilo

I can live with that. In any case i will proceed as it does not need to be decided before end of russia

oysteilo

TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 4

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Changing ownership of Siam from British to UK_Pacific
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Changing PUs for British from 36 to 37
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Changing PUs for UK_Pacific from 13 to 14
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Changing PUs for British from 37 to 36
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Italians buy 1 fighter and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        2 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Bryansk
        1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Bryansk

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in Bryansk
            Italians attack with 2 armour and 1 bomber
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 2 armour and 1 bomber in Bryansk, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Bryansk, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 armour owned by the Italians lost in Bryansk
            Italians win, taking Bryansk from Russians with 1 armour and 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
            Casualties for Italians: 1 armour
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        1 bomber moved from Bryansk to Novgorod
        2 aaGuns, 2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine
        1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Romania to Bessarabia
        1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Southern Italy to Western Germany

    Place Units - Italians
        1 fighter and 1 infantry placed in Southern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 7
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 99 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,2,4,5,5,2
        Italians collect 9 PUs (7 lost to blockades); end with 11 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians : -0,67
Russians : 0,67

Savegame

Amon-Sul

@oysteilo said in L20 #2 Oysteilo (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+9) BM3:

I can live with that. In any case i will proceed as it does not need to be decided before end of russia

i think gamerman will show up by then

cheers

Amon-Sul

TripleA Turn Summary: ANZAC round 4

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        ANZAC buy 2 destroyers; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC
        2 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
        1 infantry moved from Alexandria to Tobruk
              ANZAC take Tobruk from Italians

    Combat - ANZAC
        Battle in Java

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        1 artillery moved from New South Wales to Queensland
        2 submarines moved from 62 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 54 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from Queensland to Caroline Islands

    Place Units - ANZAC
        2 destroyers placed in 62 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        ANZAC collect 14 PUs; end with 14 PUs
        Trigger ANZAC 1 Control Original And Malaya: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 17 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 20 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 23 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

Amon-Sul

TripleA Turn Summary: French round 4

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        ANZAC buy 2 destroyers; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC
        2 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
        1 infantry moved from Alexandria to Tobruk
              ANZAC take Tobruk from Italians

    Combat - ANZAC
        Battle in Java

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        1 artillery moved from New South Wales to Queensland
        2 submarines moved from 62 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 54 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from Queensland to Caroline Islands

    Place Units - ANZAC
        2 destroyers placed in 62 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        ANZAC collect 14 PUs; end with 14 PUs
        Trigger ANZAC 1 Control Original And Malaya: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 17 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 20 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 23 PUs

    Combat Move - French

    Non Combat Move - French
        1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
        1 infantry moved from Morocco to Algeria
        2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - French

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

Amon-Sul

French inf in sz 110 are on USA trannies. (just as UK units there)

cheers

oysteilo

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 5

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 5

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 1 artillery, 9 infantry and 8 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 mech_infantry moved from Belarus to Rostov
              Germans take Rostov from Russians
        6 infantry moved from Novgorod to Archangel
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from France to Holland Belgium
        4 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
        1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
        1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
        2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Holland Belgium
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to Holland Belgium

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Holland Belgium
            Germans attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 3 fighters, 3 infantry, 4 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
            British defend with 2 aaGuns and 2 infantry; Americans defend with 1 artillery, 4 infantry, 1 marine and 1 mech_infantry
                AA fire in Holland Belgium : 0/5 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 3 fighters, 3 infantry, 4 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 5/13 hits, 4,50 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 2 aaGuns, 1 artillery, 6 infantry, 1 marine and 1 mech_infantry in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 2/9 hits, 3,00 expected hits
                2 aaGuns owned by the British, 2 infantry owned by the Germans and 3 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Holland Belgium
                Germans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 3 fighters, 1 infantry, 4 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber in Holland Belgium, round 3 : 2/11 hits, 4,17 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 artillery, 3 infantry, 1 marine and 1 mech_infantry in Holland Belgium, round 3 : 2/6 hits, 2,00 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans, 1 infantry owned by the Americans, 1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Holland Belgium
                Germans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 3 fighters, 3 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber in Holland Belgium, round 4 : 5/9 hits, 3,83 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 infantry, 1 marine and 1 mech_infantry in Holland Belgium, round 4 : 3/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits
                1 marine owned by the Americans, 1 artillery owned by the Americans, 3 mech_infantrys owned by the Germans, 1 infantry owned by the British and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Americans lost in Holland Belgium
            Germans win, taking Holland Belgium from Americans with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 16
            Casualties for Germans: 3 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys
            Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery, 4 infantry, 1 marine and 1 mech_infantry
            Casualties for British: 2 aaGuns and 2 infantry
        Battle in Archangel
            Germans attack with 6 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 6 infantry in Archangel, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Archangel, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Archangel
            Germans win, taking Archangel from Russians with 5 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        2 armour moved from Novgorod to Bryansk
        3 aaGuns, 8 artilleries, 29 infantry and 7 mech_infantrys moved from Belarus to Bryansk
        1 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk
        6 armour and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Bryansk
        1 aaGun moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Poland to Belarus
        3 fighters moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
        1 bomber moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
        1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Germany
        1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Germany
        1 infantry moved from Southern France to France

    Place Units - Germans
        3 infantry placed in Ukraine
        3 mech_infantrys placed in Novgorod
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in France
        2 infantry placed in Southern France
        2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Germany
        3 mech_infantrys placed in Western Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 54 PUs; end with 54 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 59 PUs
        Objective Germans 7 Control of Balkans: Germans met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 61 PUs
        Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 66 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans : 0,50
Americans : 0,67
Russians : 0,67
AA fire in Holland Belgium : : -0,83

Savegame

Amon-Sul

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 5

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Samara to Rostov
        1 infantry moved from Tambov to Rostov
        1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Rostov
        1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Kwangtung

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in Kwangtung
            Russians attack with 1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
            Japanese defend with 1 armour and 1 harbour
                Russians roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber in Kwangtung, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 armour in Kwangtung, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 mech_infantry owned by the Russians and 1 armour owned by the Japanese lost in Kwangtung
            Russians win, taking Kwangtung from Japanese with 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
            Casualties for Russians: 1 mech_infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 armour
        Battle in Rostov
            Russians attack with 1 armour, 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
            Germans defend with 1 mech_infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys in Rostov, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Rostov, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Rostov
            Russians win, taking Rostov from Germans with 1 armour, 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
            Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        1 armour moved from Samara to Russia
        1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from Russia to Tambov
        2 aaGuns and 18 infantry moved from Amur to Buryatia
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangtung to Yunnan
        1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Samara
        1 submarine moved from 91 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Russians
        2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Volgograd
        1 fighter and 3 mech_infantrys placed in Russia
        Russians undo move 1.
        2 infantry placed in Volgograd
        1 mech_infantry placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 25 PUs; end with 25 PUs
        Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 28 PUs
        Trigger Russians 2 Persia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 30 PUs
        Trigger Russians 3 Siberia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 32 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans : -0.33
Russians : 0.50
Japanese : 0.50

Savegame

L20 #2 Oysteilo (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+9) BM3

TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 4

TripleA Turn Summary: ANZAC round 4

TripleA Turn Summary: French round 4

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 5

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 5

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