L20 AndrewAAGamer (Axis) vs majikforce (Allies +35) Global 1940 2nd Ed OOB

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 8

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0

Game History

Round: 8

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 1 armour, 1 artillery, 4 bombers, 2 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk
              Germans take Bryansk from Russians
        7 armour and 9 mech_infantrys moved from Volgograd to Caucasus
        3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Rostov
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Ukraine to Caucasus
        3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Ukraine to Rostov
        3 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Ukraine to Western Ukraine
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Ukraine to Western Ukraine
        1 bomber moved from Western Germany to 95 Sea Zone

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in 95 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 bomber
            Americans defend with 1 transport
                1 transport owned by the Americans lost in 95 Sea Zone
            Germans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for Americans: 1 transport
        Battle in Caucasus
            Germans attack with 7 armour, 9 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
            British defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 7 armour, 9 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber in Caucasus, round 2 : 6/17 hits, 5.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Caucasus, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the British, 2 mech_infantrys owned by the Germans and 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Caucasus
            Germans win, taking Caucasus from Russians with 7 armour, 7 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
            Casualties for Germans: 2 mech_infantrys
            Casualties for British: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
        Battle in Rostov
            Germans attack with 3 fighters, 3 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers
            Russians defend with 2 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 3 fighters, 3 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers in Rostov, round 2 : 5/9 hits, 4.00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Rostov, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Rostov
            Germans win, taking Rostov from Russians with 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
        Battle in Western Ukraine
            Germans attack with 3 artilleries, 2 fighters, 6 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Russians defend with 2 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 3 artilleries, 2 fighters, 6 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Western Ukraine, round 2 : 5/12 hits, 4.17 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Western Ukraine, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Western Ukraine
            Germans win, taking Western Ukraine from Russians with 3 artilleries, 2 fighters, 6 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Caucasus to Ukraine
        3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Rostov to Ukraine
        5 armour and 11 mech_infantrys moved from Ukraine to Caucasus
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine
        2 fighters moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine
        6 bombers moved from Western Germany to Southern Italy
        1 bomber moved from 95 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
        1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to France
        1 aaGun moved from Holland Belgium to France
        3 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France
        1 artillery moved from Western Germany to France
        1 aaGun moved from Germany to Western Germany
        6 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Eastern Poland
        4 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus
        2 armour moved from Novgorod to Belarus

    Place Units - Germans
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Ukraine
        1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Novgorod
        4 bombers and 1 mech_infantry placed in Western Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 125 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,2
        Germans collect 58 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 59 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 64 PUs
        Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 69 PUs
        Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 79 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans : 2.17
Russians : 0.67

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TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 8

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0

Game History

Round: 8

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 2 carriers, 2 destroyers and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 3 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        1 battleship, 6 carriers, 1 infantry, 2 submarines and 2 transports moved from 42 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 42 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
        3 submarines moved from 37 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to 25 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 6 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Japan to 35 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from India to 42 Sea Zone
        3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 42 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Japan to 35 Sea Zone

    Combat - Japanese
        Japanese creates battle in territory 6 Sea Zone
        Battle in 25 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers
            Americans defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 25 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 25 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 25 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 25 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer
        Battle in 42 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 6 fighters
            ANZAC defend with 1 submarine
                Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 6 fighters in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 : 4/8 hits, 4.00 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 submarine in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the ANZAC lost in 42 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 6 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 submarine
        Battle in 44 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers
            Americans defend with 1 transport; ANZAC defend with 1 submarine
                Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer, 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers in 44 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/8 hits, 4.33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 44 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 transport owned by the Americans and 1 submarine owned by the ANZAC lost in 44 Sea Zone
            Japanese win, taking 44 Sea Zone from ANZAC with 1 destroyer, 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 13
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 submarine
            Casualties for Americans: 1 transport
        Battle in 35 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 6 carriers, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 1 infantry, 6 submarines and 2 transports
            ANZAC defend with 1 submarine
                Japanese roll dice for 6 submarines in 35 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the ANZAC lost in 35 Sea Zone
            Japanese win, taking 35 Sea Zone from Americans with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 6 carriers, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 6 submarines and 2 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 submarine

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to Japan
        1 carrier moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 25 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Iwo Jima to 17 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 17 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 6 Sea Zone to Korea
        1 bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
        1 bomber moved from 42 Sea Zone to Philippines
        6 fighters moved from 42 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 44 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
        1 battleship, 3 carriers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 3 tactical_bombers and 3 transports moved from 79 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
        3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from West India to India
        1 submarine moved from 78 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Japanese
        2 carriers, 2 destroyers and 1 submarine placed in 6 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 1
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 6 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,5
        Japanese collect 42 PUs (1 lost to blockades); end with 45 PUs
        Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 50 PUs
        Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 55 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans : -0.50
ANZAC : -0.17
Japanese : -4.00

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@majikforce

I think you mean SZ44, not SZ25. If you had used the Queensland bomber to attack SZ44 it could have landed in Kiangsi. Then the other Queensland bomber and the Yunnan bomber could both have made Anwhe which is what your placement looks like after your edit.

Please confirm this is your intention.

@majikforce
Looking back at our chats I see we discussed Edits however I do not see where we have a formal agreement. As I said I do not like any edits, you stated “Although not as strict as yours I don’t allow any edits after another power has posted. I consider the US/China/UK on big long turn and any NCM edits within that turn are fine with me. Now if its something that effects dice rolls or a purchase there may be a problem.”

In either scenario a revision of a combat move would not be allowed. Having said that since you easily could have done it differently and we do not have a formal agreement in place I am okay with this edit. However I think we need to come to an agreement regarding edits going forward.

Personally I do not want any edits, if I had my way. I understand that is not typical. I am willing to allow non-combat edits after placement but only within the same Power’s Turn. Otherwise it only benefits the Allies as the Axis never goes twice. Only the Allies go with more than one Power in a row. Having to figure out what the board is going to look like for USA after China and UK go is part of the difficulty of the game.

Edits would also not be allowed as soon as the other Opponent started their Turn by posting anything.

Is this acceptable?

TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 8

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0

Game History

Round: 8

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Romania
        1 aaGun moved from Bulgaria to Yugoslavia
        3 mech_infantrys moved from Southern Italy to Yugoslavia
        1 armour moved from Western Germany to Yugoslavia
        4 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Ukraine

    Place Units - Italians
        2 mech_infantrys placed in Northern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 7
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,1,1,6,5,2,5,6
        Italians collect 5 PUs (7 lost to blockades); end with 5 PUs

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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Italians round 8

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0

Game History

Round: 8

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Romania
        1 aaGun moved from Bulgaria to Yugoslavia
        3 mech_infantrys moved from Southern Italy to Yugoslavia
        1 armour moved from Western Germany to Yugoslavia
        4 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Ukraine

    Place Units - Italians
        2 mech_infantrys placed in Northern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 7
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,1,1,6,5,2,5,6
        Italians collect 5 PUs (7 lost to blockades); end with 5 PUs
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 112 Sea Zone: 1 transport
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

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@AndrewAAGamer
LOL - okay I am happy to make an edit based on our new policy as I forgot to attack the US transport in SZ112. The Italian bomber did not move and could make the attack and return to Southern Italy.

@majikforce
So thinking about edits more there is a disadvantage the Allies have versus the Axis. Since the Axis never go two in a row once they Post their Turn they have until their Opponent goes to catch an error like forgetting to move a unit. That may be two hours, heck it may be two days. The Allies go US/China/UK all in a row so since the Allied Player is going one after another they really do not have that additional time luxury to catch a missed move.

So I would propose that we would allow “forgotten” units to be moved at a later time as long as a combat roll has not occurred. Again this would be units that were not moved at all, forgot to move units, and not units already moved that “Oh I decided I would like it here versus there”.

So here is my idea for an Edit Policy. What do you think?
1, Purchases and Combat Moves once Posted are never editable under any circumstances.
2) Once Opponent A has posted any portion of their Turn any possible edit(s) from Opponent B’s previous Turn are not allowed.
3) As soon as a combat roll is made no edits are allowed from any phase previous to said combat roll.
4) Non-Combat Moves conducted and Build Placements placed are editable as long as #2 or #3 have not occurred and no additional Post has been made by the same Player wishing to make the edit.
5) A unit that was never moved, i.e. forgotten, may be edited to make a Non-Combat move as long as #2 and #3 have not occurred.

BTW based on the above both of our bomber moves would not be allowed under this policy as both involved Combat Movement.

@majikforce
Thanks and you bring up some really good points for me to think about. Since I have always in the past played with no edits allowed trying to figure out what edits to allow to become, as you say, a less alienating Player, is new for me.

One quick item though is your main peeve and point is once a Post is made no edits should be allowed. While I agree with that what is the need of making an edit before you Posted? If you realize you want to change something before you have posted all you have to do is close the file and reopen it and start over. If it is for the Purchase phase or Combat Move phase you close and reopen the original file because you have not rolled anything yet. Once you roll, and save the game again, you just reopen the after Combat phase save to redo the Non-Combat Move phase or Placement phase. So it is only after you Post and realize you would like to change something that you need an edit for. Am I missing something?

@majikforce
Very interesting! So most people do not save the file and thus edit during their Turn.

So is it a common agreement that no edits are allowed after posting?

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 9

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0

Game History

Round: 9

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 3 bombers, 9 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        5 infantry moved from Ukraine to Rostov
        6 armour and 9 mech_infantrys moved from Caucasus to Volgograd
        5 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers moved from Ukraine to Rostov
        1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from France to Holland Belgium
        3 infantry moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
        5 bombers moved from Southern Italy to Rostov
        1 infantry moved from Belarus to Smolensk
              Germans take Smolensk from Russians
        1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Rostov
        3 infantry moved from Finland to Norway
        4 bombers moved from Western Germany to Norway
        1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Norway

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Rostov
            Germans attack with 6 bombers, 5 fighters, 5 infantry and 5 tactical_bombers
            Russians defend with 1 aaGun and 6 infantry
                AA fire in Rostov : 0/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 6 bombers, 5 fighters, 5 infantry and 5 tactical_bombers in Rostov, round 2 : 10/21 hits, 10.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 aaGun and 6 infantry in Rostov, round 2 : 4/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                6 infantry owned by the Russians, 4 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 aaGun owned by the Russians lost in Rostov
            Germans win, taking Rostov from Russians with 6 bombers, 5 fighters, 1 infantry and 5 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 11
            Casualties for Germans: 4 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 aaGun and 6 infantry
        Battle in Volgograd
            Germans attack with 6 armour and 9 mech_infantrys
            Russians defend with 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 6 armour and 9 mech_infantrys in Volgograd, round 2 : 1/15 hits, 4.50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Volgograd, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Volgograd
            Germans win, taking Volgograd from Russians with 6 armour and 9 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Norway
            Germans attack with 5 bombers and 3 infantry
            Americans defend with 2 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 5 bombers and 3 infantry in Norway, round 2 : 5/8 hits, 3.83 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 2 infantry in Norway, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans and 2 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Norway
            Germans win, taking Norway from Americans with 5 bombers and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry
        Battle in Holland Belgium
            Germans attack with 1 artillery and 5 infantry
            Americans defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 5 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Holland Belgium
            Germans win, taking Holland Belgium from Americans with 1 artillery and 5 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
        Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
            Germans attack with 1 artillery and 5 infantry
            Americans defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
                Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 5 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 1/6 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 artillery in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Americans lost in Normandy Bordeaux
            Germans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from Americans with 1 artillery and 5 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
            Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        1 aaGun moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
        6 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Ukraine
        3 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine
        2 armour moved from Belarus to Archangel
        1 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Novgorod to Archangel
        1 infantry moved from Belarus to Novgorod
        6 armour and 9 mech_infantrys moved from Caucasus to Ukraine
        1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Poland
        5 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers moved from Rostov to Ukraine
        6 bombers moved from Rostov to Novgorod
        1 infantry moved from Belarus to Novgorod
        5 bombers moved from Norway to Western Germany

    Place Units - Germans
        3 infantry placed in Ukraine
        3 infantry placed in Novgorod
        3 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys placed in Western Germany
        3 bombers placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,2
        Germans collect 58 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 58 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs
        Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 68 PUs
        Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 78 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans : -2.67
AA fire in Rostov : : -0.50
Americans : -0.33
Russians : 1.67

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