L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3

@trulpen said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:

What do U mean by holding out on the Russians, U mean playing too defensively against Russia?

Yes, and mainly a lot of investment has gone into fleet and kicking UKs butt, but that means Germany is rather weak on the eastern front. I believe more immediate pressure has to be made against Russia. It’s Germany’s key objective in the early game. Early Sea Lion is a trap.

So U do not think Sea Lion (even if sucessfull) is a good option?

hey, just one thing about Mongolian treaty.

U can only break it if U attack Japanese territory bordering Mongolia.

If U attack Japanese controlled Kansu , U deactivate the Treaty.

But if U attack Japan in Sikang U do not.

@trulpen said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:

hey, just one thing about Mongolian treaty.

U can only break it if U attack Japanese territory bordering Mongolia.

If U attack Japanese controlled Kansu , U deactivate the Treaty.

But if U attack Japan in Sikang U do not.

I presume you mean Suiyuyan. Yes, it only gets in effect regarding territories bordering Mongolia.

If Japan conquers Suiyuyan and Russia attacks it, Mongolia is off.

By the same measure I don’t believe it gets activated if Japan attacks Suiyuyan and there are russian troops there. So activating Mongolia would only happen when attacking russian territories.

Suyiyuan, Kansu, Chahar,i mean all of them.

Well it is different. Japan activates Mongolian treaty only when attackin ORIGINAL Russian territories bordering Mongolia,

while Russia can deactivate it while attacking any Japanese territory bordering Mongolia (does not have to be original Japanese one).
And i think if Russia attacks Korea its the same as attacking Japanese territory bordering Mongolia

ok, i ve done my buyings.

let s roll

the battles are over.

ncm and placement to go.

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 6

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 6

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans repair damage of 1x factory_major; Remaining resources: 57 PUs; 
        Germans buy 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 3 bombers and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Bessarabia
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine
        1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Bessarabia
        3 bombers moved from Western Germany to Baltic States
        2 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
        2 infantry moved from Finland to Vyborg
        2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Belarus
        1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Belarus
        3 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Baltic States
        1 infantry moved from Eire to Scotland
              Germans take Scotland from British
        1 submarine moved from 109 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone
        3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 109 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Baltic States
        1 artillery moved from Eastern Poland to Bessarabia

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Bessarabia
            Germans attack with 2 artilleries and 2 infantry
            Russians defend with 2 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries and 2 infantry in Bessarabia, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Bessarabia, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Bessarabia
                Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries and 1 infantry in Bessarabia, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Bessarabia, round 3 : 2/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Russians, 1 artillery owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Bessarabia
            Germans win, taking Bessarabia from Russians with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
            Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
        Battle in Karelia
            Germans attack with 2 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Karelia
            Germans win, taking Karelia from Russians with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Western Ukraine
            Germans attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Western Ukraine, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Western Ukraine, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Western Ukraine, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Western Ukraine, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Western Ukraine
            Germans win, taking Western Ukraine from Russians with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Baltic States
            Germans attack with 3 bombers and 4 infantry
            Russians defend with 2 artilleries and 2 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 3 bombers and 4 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 1/7 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 artilleries and 2 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Baltic States
                Germans roll dice for 3 bombers and 2 infantry in Baltic States, round 3 : 2/5 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 artilleries and 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 artillery owned by the Russians lost in Baltic States
                Germans roll dice for 3 bombers and 2 infantry in Baltic States, round 4 : 2/5 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery in Baltic States, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Russians lost in Baltic States
            Germans win, taking Baltic States from Russians with 3 bombers and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 2 artilleries and 2 infantry
        Battle in Belarus
            Germans attack with 2 artilleries and 4 infantry
            Russians defend with 4 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries and 4 infantry in Belarus, round 2 : 1/6 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 4 infantry in Belarus, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Belarus
                Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries and 3 infantry in Belarus, round 3 : 1/5 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 3 infantry in Belarus, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Belarus
                Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries and 3 infantry in Belarus, round 4 : 3/5 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Belarus, round 4 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Belarus
            Germans win, taking Belarus from Russians with 2 artilleries and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 4 infantry
        Battle in Vyborg
            Germans attack with 2 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Vyborg, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Vyborg, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Vyborg, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Vyborg, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Vyborg
            Germans win, taking Vyborg from Russians with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in 104 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
            Americans defend with 1 destroyer
                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 104 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 104 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 2.17 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 104 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 104 Sea Zone
            Germans win with 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        3 bombers moved from Baltic States to Western Germany
        1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 4 transports moved from 113 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 108 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 112 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 5 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Eastern Poland
        1 aaGun moved from Eastern Poland to Bessarabia
        1 aaGun moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine
        1 submarine moved from 96 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 104 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
        2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 109 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to 109 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from 104 Sea Zone to Western Germany
        1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Yugoslavia

    Place Units - Germans
        3 bombers placed in Western Germany
        1 armour, 3 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 54 PUs; end with 54 PUs
        Trigger Germans 4 Presence In Egypt: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 59 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 64 PUs
        Objective Germans 7 Control of Balkans: Germans met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 66 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans : -1.17
Americans : -0.33
Russians : -2.67

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@trulpen said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:

Luck on your side as usual.

All the battles except those west of Novgorod where around 90 % or more, U scored pretty well in Besarabia, in Baltic States too and gave me a lot of problems there. I scored great in Belarus but U can easily smash me there.

And for west of Novgorod, well , luck follows the brave :)

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:

follows

I think I am the type of player which more than average goes to (not certain) battles.

For U , I would say the opposite.

But It those not mean that my playstyle is brave and ur isn t.

And too much bravery can mean someone is crazy xd

i just said that luck follows the brave as a proverb, and there is always half truth in any.

what in previous game?

I think U should not be dissatisfiied with these round dice rolls since U scored too good in both Besarabia and Baltic States.

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 6

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 6

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 4 artilleries and 9 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine
        2 infantry moved from Novgorod to Baltic States
        1 fighter moved from Bryansk to Belarus
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Bryansk to Belarus
        1 fighter moved from Bryansk to Belarus
        3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia
        1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine
        1 artillery moved from Novgorod to Baltic States
        1 artillery moved from Novgorod to Karelia
        2 infantry moved from Novgorod to Vyborg
        1 artillery moved from Novgorod to Vyborg
        1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Baltic States
        1 artillery moved from Novgorod to Belarus
        1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Karelia
        1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Karelia
        1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus
        2 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus
        1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus
        1 artillery moved from Novgorod to Belarus
        3 infantry moved from Kansu to Tsinghai

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in Bessarabia
            Russians attack with 3 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 aaGun and 1 artillery
                Russians roll dice for 3 infantry in Bessarabia, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 aaGun and 1 artillery in Bessarabia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Bessarabia
                Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Bessarabia, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 aaGun and 1 artillery in Bessarabia, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Bessarabia, round 4 : 0/2 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 aaGun and 1 artillery in Bessarabia, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Bessarabia, round 5 : 1/2 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 aaGun and 1 artillery in Bessarabia, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 aaGun owned by the Germans lost in Bessarabia
                Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Bessarabia, round 6 : 0/2 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 artillery in Bessarabia, round 6 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Bessarabia, round 7 : 0/2 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 artillery in Bessarabia, round 7 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
            2 infantry owned by the Russians retreated to Ukraine
            Germans win with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 1 aaGun
        Battle in Western Ukraine
            Russians attack with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Western Ukraine, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Western Ukraine, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 aaGun owned by the Germans lost in Western Ukraine
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Western Ukraine, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Western Ukraine, round 3 : 2/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Western Ukraine
            1 artillery owned by the Russians retreated to Bryansk
            Germans win with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
            Casualties for Russians: 3 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 1 aaGun
        Battle in Karelia
            Russians attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Germans defend with 2 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Karelia
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Karelia, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Karelia, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
            2 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 artillery owned by the Russians retreated to Novgorod
            Germans win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
        Battle in Vyborg
            Russians attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Germans defend with 2 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Vyborg, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Vyborg, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Vyborg
            1 artillery owned by the Russians retreated to Novgorod
            Germans win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
            Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
        Battle in Baltic States
            Russians attack with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
            Germans defend with 2 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Baltic States
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Baltic States, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Baltic States
            Russians win, taking Baltic States from Germans with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
        Battle in Belarus
            Russians attack with 2 artilleries, 3 fighters, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Germans defend with 2 artilleries and 3 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 2 artilleries, 3 fighters, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Belarus, round 2 : 5/10 hits, 3,83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries and 3 infantry in Belarus, round 2 : 0/5 hits, 1,67 expected hits
                2 artilleries owned by the Germans and 3 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Belarus
            Russians win, taking Belarus from Germans with 2 artilleries, 3 fighters, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 17
            Casualties for Germans: 2 artilleries and 3 infantry
        Battle in Tsinghai
            Russians attack with 3 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 3 infantry in Tsinghai, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Tsinghai, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Tsinghai
            Russians win, taking Tsinghai from Japanese with 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        6 infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Caucasus
        5 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
        3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Belarus to Bryansk
        2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Volgograd to Rostov

    Place Units - Russians
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Volgograd
        3 artilleries and 7 infantry placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 33 PUs; end with 33 PUs
        Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 36 PUs
        Trigger Russians 2 Persia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 38 PUs
        Trigger Russians 3 Siberia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 40 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans : 0,33
Russians : -0,67
Japanese : -0,33

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