Game History
Round: 2 Research Technology - Germans Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 1 carrier, 1 fighter and 6 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 unit repaired. 2 bombers moved from Western Germany to United Kingdom 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 104 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 112 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 118 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 112 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone 3 submarines moved from 112 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux 2 mech_infantrys moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux 2 armour moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux 1 armour moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux 1 armour moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux 2 infantry moved from Norway to 112 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 112 Sea Zone to 119 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 119 Sea Zone to Scotland Combat - Germans Air Battle in United Kingdom Germans attacks with 2 units heading to United Kingdom Air Battle is over, the remaining bombers go on to their targets Strategic bombing raid in United Kingdom Bombing raid in United Kingdom rolls: 3,8 and causes: 11 damage to unit: factory_major Bombing raid in United Kingdom causes 11 damage total. Battle in Scotland Battle in Normandy Bordeaux Germans attack with 4 armour, 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys French defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry Germans win, taking Scotland from British, taking Normandy Bordeaux from French with 4 armour and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for French: 1 artillery and 1 infantry Battle in 118 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 fighter, 3 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber British defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer Germans win with 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 28 Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines Casualties for British: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer Battle in 104 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber British defend with 1 destroyer Germans win with 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for British: 1 destroyer Cleaning up after air battles Non Combat Move - Germans 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 104 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 112 Sea Zone to 119 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 112 Sea Zone to 119 Sea Zone 1 battleship moved from 112 Sea Zone to 119 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 112 Sea Zone to 119 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 118 Sea Zone to 119 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Western Germany 1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium 2 armour moved from France to Holland Belgium 1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium 1 aaGun moved from Germany to Western Germany 1 aaGun moved from Poland to Germany 2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Germany 3 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from Germany to Western Germany 1 infantry moved from Romania to Slovakia Hungary 5 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Romania 2 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Slovakia Hungary 3 armour moved from Yugoslavia to Western Germany 1 artillery moved from France to Western Germany 3 infantry moved from Finland to Norway 2 bombers moved from United Kingdom to Western Germany 1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium 1 infantry moved from Poland to Germany 1 infantry moved from Finland to Norway 1 infantry moved from Poland to Germany Place Units - Germans 1 carrier and 6 transports placed in 112 Sea Zone 1 fighter placed in Western Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 43 PUs; end with 43 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 48 PUs Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 53 PUsL20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3
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we cant alter dice , sorry
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No, it wouldn’t. More units and territory would make a significant change in income and battle power. Just imagine WUS with 3 more des, 2 more subs, 7 more figs, And 2 more sb. Taking into account rational losses, like when SBR.
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i think that future games of u , me against other good players will show we play good and we win against some, loose against some. but still i wont be tier 2, and u wont be tier M
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@Amon-Sul said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:
we cant alter dice , sorry
I’m not asking to. Just airing the frustration.
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@trulpen said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:
No, it wouldn’t. More units and territory would make a significant change in income and battle power. Just imagine WUS with 3 more des, 2 more subs, 7 more figs, And 2 more sb. Taking into account rational losses, like when SBR.
and imagine me with bunch of other units, and if u had more that units, i would addapt. i would play some moves differently. u bombed a lot with those bombers, its normal they feel sometimes
U were outplayed in this game, and the axis deserved to win. the impact of dice here is 1-2 %, i mean even without it it would be 90 + % on the axis side,
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they fell
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i am starting to loose motivation to play another game with u as the allies
and i will play it but only with LOW LUCK
otherwise i do not wish to play, cus i cant hear about dices all the time, and especially in the end game, that i ve won because of 3 inf or subs u loose, and u shouldnt. well if u want average all the time we ll play LL ,
the dices can not be on average all the time, its normal that they jump up and down, and the dice server is good now, definitely better then it was a few years ago , that is my humble opionion, its much more averaged than it was
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@Amon-Sul said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:
i think that future games of u , me against other good players will show we play good and we win against some, loose against some. but still i wont be tier 2, and u wont be tier M
You are atleast E. As I am. We are pretty evenly matched, so I simply just have the opinion that dice has favoured you and that it has made significant impact on both of our games. It’s crazy, and I’m not stating that as a sore loser. You are a deserved winner. You play very interesting and well. Still, your opening plans seem to have serious flaws. Main point, like you said, has been surprise. It’s a strong effect.
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@Amon-Sul said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:
the dices can not be on average all the time, its normal that they jump up and down
Exactly. 😊
Despite my extensive whining, I’m ok with it.
and the dice server is good now, definitely better then it was a few years ago , that is my humble opionion, its much more averaged than it was
I can’t say, since I didn’t play then, but I absolutely trust you on that.
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@trulpen said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:
@Amon-Sul said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:
i think that future games of u , me against other good players will show we play good and we win against some, loose against some. but still i wont be tier 2, and u wont be tier M
You are atleast E. As I am. We are pretty evenly matched, so I simply just have the opinion that dice has favoured you and that it has made significant impact on both of our games. It’s crazy, and I’m not stating that as a sore loser. You are a deserved winner. You play very interesting and well. Still, your opening plans seem to have serious flaws. Main point, like you said, has been surprise. It’s a strong effect.
well as one of my professor in high school said about the right tehnique for shootin a ball/scoring a point in basketball.
the right tehnique is the one that succeds. so my play can be unorthodox, different, odd, but it functioned in both games. pretty well. without much bigger remedies.
and i am happy for it. if in the long run it proves bad, i ll change my strategies. its normal.
but the thesis that in this game u are on the brink of a loss because of 3 inf, and 3 subs, and 2 destroyers for me is totally unreal.
I was tier 1 last time i played here 2 years ago.
but i am not saying i did not win because i surprised u . that was one of the key elements of my game, though not only and the most important one, but very important definitely.
but one thing is to surprise someone, and the other thing is to win because u roll 1 all the time
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@trulpen said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:
@Amon-Sul said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:
the dices can not be on average all the time, its normal that they jump up and down
Exactly. 😊
Despite my extensive whining, I’m ok with it.
and the dice server is good now, definitely better then it was a few years ago , that is my humble opionion, its much more averaged than it was
I can’t say, since I didn’t play then, but I absolutely trust you on that.
especially in big battles
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Italy did not took Egypt because of dice.
Japan did not became godzilla in the Pacific because of dice.
and Germany did not surpressed a potential USA landing in Europe because of dice, actually it was almost the other way.
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@Amon-Sul said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:
Italy did not took Egypt because of dice.
Japan did not became godzilla in the Pacific because of dice.
and Germany did not surpressed a potential USA landing in Europe because of dice, actually it was almost the other way.
I agree.
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low luck still has some luck, but its more like a chess
i feel good for playing our game in that way since i do not relly on luck outflaws in my strategies, and would sign averagiality with no problems, but it spoils the fun, so i dont play that way, but one time LL why not
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I’ve definitely been on the other side of those dice. I haven’t tried it, but I have a feeling that low luck for this game won’t be particularly interesting. Then I’d rather play chess.
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@Amon-Sul said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:
low luck still has some luck, but its more like a chess
i feel good for playing our game in that way since i do not relly on luck outflaws in my strategies, and would sign averagiality with no problems, but it spoils the fun, so i dont play that way, but one time LL why not
Ok, perhaps we can try it out? What’s the principle?
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@trulpen said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:
@Amon-Sul said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:
Italy did not took Egypt because of dice.
Japan did not became godzilla in the Pacific because of dice.
and Germany did not surpressed a potential USA landing in Europe because of dice, actually it was almost the other way.
I agree.
U do not have to. I know it hurts when u had repeatedly bad dice in similar battles, cus i played A A a lot in different editions,
But,
Its very brave to say u would win if u had passed better in some battles, and you just add urself some units on the board retroactively, but what is with my powers, dont u think ita ger and japan would addapt to it? Or at least try to?
I am a patient player, i look for long term strategies/victories, avoiding risky battles especially big ones as much as possible. Its untipical for axis especially germany to play that way, and not rushing moscow but winning over economy too but its my way.
But i do not have a problem with attacking 1 inf with 2 inf, especially with some circumstances and especially with allies.
As for messy battles i sometimes go to them because :
- i have the economical advantage
- i can distrupt ur plans
- i can achieve something really good if luckY
- I CAN retreat if it goes bad
- or even if i loose i have some backup forces
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All though i primarily rely on achieving my goals, i like to destrupt my enemy s plans, even if i do not know them.
And i like to add a country fellow friend in danger. With allies by joining forces, and with axis, well i was pushing allies with italy and especially japan just to give germany a space to breathe.
Especially russia and usa witth japan.
I ve could go for India earlier and take it but i ve decided this is the better path. And altough its not typical japan tries to take LA, but it worked
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@trulpen said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:
@Amon-Sul said in L20 #2 Amon-Sul (X) vs trulpen (A+7) BM3:
low luck still has some luck, but its more like a chess
i feel good for playing our game in that way since i do not relly on luck outflaws in my strategies, and would sign averagiality with no problems, but it spoils the fun, so i dont play that way, but one time LL why not
Ok, perhaps we can try it out? What’s the principle?
No, its different than chess. A half way from no luck and much luck
So the thing is for every power of 6 (2 figs, 2 tanks, or 1 bom 1 marine etc) u score a hit.
If u have power of let s say 7 (tank, artillery, inf) u have 1 hit and roll 1 dice on 1If u have power 11(2 bom, 1 fig) u have 1 hit and roll one dice on 5
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So for many sbrs, small battles luck stil stays. As if there is no LL
But, if u attack me with 2 inf 1 bom, u must score at least a hit, and i cant score more then 1 if i have even 3 inf