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Also historically its really not possible for UK to get a early jump on Japan… in April 1942 Nagumo basically chased sommerville to Ceylon and the brits avoided the japanese because they were not in any position to attack them with their meager forces. Thats another reason why axis should move together. Now it may require some adjustments to UK’s position in India or some adjustment of Japans deployment of trannies near india and australia. I can easilly make these player aids for the kit.
I don’t prefer map changes but this isn’t map change.
I don’t mind minor changes to start up military. Either way people have to look up the table anyway. It quite a bit to memorize…that 10 x 10 or so table and 5 of them.
I did not propose a “map” change it was a remark about the inviability of allowing UK to move in the pacific before Japan. At the time of the game Japan was cresting and UK was still in trouble.
Yeah.
I am saying I don’t mind a new startup military location table.
So how does the combined turn thing work?
The whole team has phase 1, then phase 2, phase3, etc?
They all play each phase as they choose, except during movement and combat its done at the same time to avoid seeing the results of one combat action and then using this knowledge to move/ not move…attack/ not attack
during movement and combat its done at the same time to avoid seeing the results of one combat action and then using this knowledge to move/ not move…attack/ not attack
More importantly, its so they can’t see combat result and then decision what to build.
for simplicity and less in-game argumuent lets just make them perform phases one after another,
and generally define the a little more clearly
I am anticipating complex diplomacy happening occasionally with introducing of National Victory
Game Sequence
1st turn
[USSR]
[Germany, Japan]
[UK, US]
Later turns
[Germany, Japan]
[USSR, UK, US]
[A, B] means A performs phase 1, B performs phase 1, A performs phase 2, B performs phase 2…etc.
Yep thats exactly the way to go. add that to the final draft.
With USSR, UK and US combats being resolved at the same time, (as with Germany and Japan), “D-Day” type coordinated attack is now possible all the time.
Is that ok?
As for “add that to the final draft” I’ll be compiling a phase 2 final draft once the outline of phase 2 is formed.
Currently lots of discussion in land and naval combat….
but little in Units, Neutrals, and National Victory.
Maybe Italy can be phase 3.
We’ve work so much with land and naval combat I think these shall now be phase 2.
In turn we move Italy and New Units to phase 3 alongside all the physical “map change” and “piece change” rules.
Of course we’ll also await for theduke’s comments and we also have to see his “phase 1.5” rules before pulling together phase 2 draft.
Yes indeed but the Italy idea has to be combined with the lend lease idea, because italy has to have its own income, while we offset extra axis income with aid to soviets and UK from the allies.
Up to you.
I am just saying that so we have all those things that require map changes or additional pieces left to the end.
Funny I can’t see a National Advantage thread.
Up to you.
I am just saying that so we have all those things that require map changes or additional pieces left to the end.
Funny I can’t see a National Advantage thread.
+++ NO its up to US… we are a team and make decisions as a team. But the idea of leaving the new units, map changes can be kept as optional rules… mainly because the map change will be the adding of Italy as 6th player.
Andersson is very slow with his ideas… i constantly prod him like a sheepherder in the field.
So lets precisely or a little more precisely define the time line.
How long is a round?
How long is a turn?
Are they the same?
IMO each turn = 6 months… each round of combat is say 1 month?
hmm are you getting confusing combat cycle wth game rounds?
a “round” consists of 5 “turns”?
now that each team takes their turn together
I am thinking a turn is 6 months and a round is a year
round1 being an exception
Ok its just our difference in nomenclature… I was thinking a game turn is when all players take a turn. each round i was identifing with combat rounds.
I think its technically a combat “cycle” :lol:
So what should we have the time modelled?
a round = 2 turns (axis, then allies)?
yes a round becomes two turns both axis and allied
So we shall set the time model is 1 turn = 6 months, 1 round = 12 months ?
Now I can get back to Russian Winter discussion I interrupted due to timeline.
Has anyone said anything about a different setup to accommodate a new round sequence? The game is setup to accommodate the original turn sequence, and if the allies all go before the axis, than they can hit places that were supposed to be fortified. For instance, UK would be able to attack Libya and Algeria and take both, Us could fortify or pull out of Hawaii, making Pearl Harbor non existant, UK could wipe out the Mediterranean fleet, things of that sort.
The Axis would not be able to come back from the Allies first round. I believe that the Allies should go at the same time and the Axis should go at the same time, but there needs to be an alternative setup for at least the Axis so they don’t get over powered.
Rawdog: i think its great that you too have come over to this site… along with your other comrade Gen. Patch im sure and welcome your contribution to this project.
"Has anyone said anything about a different setup to accommodate a new round sequence? The game is setup to accommodate the original turn sequence, and if the allies all go before the axis, than they can hit places that were supposed to be fortified. For instance, UK would be able to attack Libya and Algeria and take both, Us could fortify or pull out of Hawaii, making Pearl Harbor non existant, UK could wipe out the Mediterranean fleet, things of that sort.
++++Yes and you bring up a great point that has not been covered yet. Under these new rules the sequence is 1) Soviets, 2) axis , 3) allies ( including Soviets)
on the second turn we move into 1) Axis 2) Allies… thus the only problem is with the UK setup… I ask you can you make the effort to remedy this to protect UK especially against Japans attacks against India and the UK fleet in the Indian ocean.
The Axis would not be able to come back from the Allies first round. I believe that the Allies should go at the same time and the Axis should go at the same time, but there needs to be an alternative setup for at least the Axis so they don’t get over powered."
++++ ok why do you see the need for this? the general idea is to allow better coordination of each team and to facilitate quicker play.
