Wizmark (Allies+12) vs SImon33 (Axis) BM3 Game II

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Italians round 8

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3 with Combat Move First, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 8

    Combat Move - Italians
        2 fighters moved from 97 Sea Zone to Iraq
        2 armour moved from Northwest Persia to Iraq
        1 bomber moved from Ukraine to Iraq
        1 armour, 2 artilleries, 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Libya to Tunisia
        1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 93 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 93 Sea Zone to Southern France
        1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Southern France
        1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 92 Sea Zone

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat - Italians

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

Scramble from Gibraltar?

TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 8

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3 with Combat Move First, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 8

    Combat Move - Italians
        2 fighters moved from 97 Sea Zone to Iraq
        2 armour moved from Northwest Persia to Iraq
        1 bomber moved from Ukraine to Iraq
        1 armour, 2 artilleries, 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Libya to Tunisia
        1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 93 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 93 Sea Zone to Southern France
        1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Southern France
        1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 92 Sea Zone

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in 93 Sea Zone
            Italians attack with 1 fighter and 1 transport
            Americans defend with 1 transport
                1 transport owned by the Americans lost in 93 Sea Zone
            Italians win with 1 fighter and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for Americans: 1 transport
        Battle in Southern France
            Italians attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry
            Americans defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Southern France, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Southern France, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Americans and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Southern France
            Italians win, taking Southern France from Americans with 1 artillery and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
        Battle in Tunisia
            Italians attack with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            French defend with 1 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Tunisia, round 2 : 2/10 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                French roll dice for 1 infantry in Tunisia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the French and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Tunisia
            Italians win, taking Tunisia from French with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 5 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for French: 1 infantry
        Battle in Iraq
            Italians attack with 2 armour, 1 bomber and 2 fighters
            British defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor and 2 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 2 armour, 1 bomber and 2 fighters in Iraq, round 2 : 0/5 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Iraq, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 armour owned by the Italians lost in Iraq
                Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 bomber and 2 fighters in Iraq, round 3 : 4/4 hits, 2.17 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Iraq, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the British and 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Iraq
            Italians win, taking Iraq from British with 1 armour, 1 bomber and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
            Casualties for Italians: 1 armour
            Casualties for British: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
        Battle in 92 Sea Zone
            Italians attack with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 submarine
            Americans defend with 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
                Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 92 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter in 92 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 2.50 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 92 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 92 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Italians
                1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 92 Sea Zone
                Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 92 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter in 92 Sea Zone, round 3 : 3/5 hits, 2.50 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 92 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 92 Sea Zone
            Italians win with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14
            Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer and 1 submarine

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        1 fighter moved from 93 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Southern France to Southern Italy
        2 fighters moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
        1 bomber moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
        1 aaGun, 10 infantry and 2 marines moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy

    Place Units - Italians
        1 destroyer placed in 95 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 infantry placed in Southern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 99 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,2
        Italians collect 15 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 15 PUs
        Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 20 PUs
        Objective Italians 4 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Italians met a national objective for an additional 4 PUs; end with 24 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians : -2.33
British : -1.00
French : 0.67
Americans : 0.83

Savegame

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 9

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3 with Combat Move First, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 9

    Research Technology - Germans

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 armour moved from Yenisey to Yakut S.S.R.
              Germans take Yakut S.S.R. from Russians
        1 armour moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Yenisey
        1 mech_infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Trans-Jordan
              Germans take Trans-Jordan from British
        1 mech_infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Syria
              Germans take Syria from British
        1 infantry moved from Volgograd to Kazakhstan
        2 infantry moved from Volgograd to Samara
        1 infantry moved from Volgograd to Rostov
        1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bryansk
              Germans take Bryansk from Russians
        1 artillery moved from Ukraine to Western Ukraine
        1 mech_infantry moved from Baltic States to Western Ukraine
        1 armour moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
              Germans take Holland Belgium from Americans
        1 armour moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
        1 mech_infantry moved from Tsinghai to Novosibirsk
              Germans take Novosibirsk from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Archangel to Vologda
              Germans take Vologda from Russians
        1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Novgorod to Smolensk
        2 fighters moved from Ukraine to Rostov
        1 bomber moved from Northwest Persia to Kazakhstan
        1 bomber moved from Northwest Persia to Samara
        2 fighters moved from Ukraine to Rostov
        2 infantry moved from Western Germany to Denmark
        1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Western Ukraine
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Denmark

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 3 artilleries, 2 fighters, 12 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Western Ukraine
            Germans attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 mech_infantry
            Russians defend with 1 mech_infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 mech_infantry in Western Ukraine, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Western Ukraine, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 mech_infantry owned by the Russians lost in Western Ukraine
            Germans win, taking Western Ukraine from Russians with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
            Casualties for Russians: 1 mech_infantry
        Battle in Denmark
            Germans attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            British defend with 1 mech_infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Denmark, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Denmark, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 mech_infantry owned by the British lost in Denmark
            Germans win, taking Denmark from British with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
            Casualties for British: 1 mech_infantry
        Battle in Rostov
            Germans attack with 4 fighters and 1 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 mech_infantry
                Germans roll dice for 4 fighters and 1 infantry in Rostov, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2.17 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Rostov, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 mech_infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Rostov
            Germans win with 4 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 mech_infantry
        Battle in Kazakhstan
            Germans attack with 1 bomber and 1 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Kazakhstan, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Kazakhstan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Kazakhstan, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Kazakhstan, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Kazakhstan, round 4 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Kazakhstan, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Kazakhstan
            Germans win, taking Kazakhstan from Russians with 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Smolensk
            Germans attack with 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Smolensk, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Smolensk, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Smolensk
            Germans win, taking Smolensk from Russians with 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Samara
            Germans attack with 1 bomber and 2 infantry
            Russians defend with 2 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Samara, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Samara, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Samara
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Samara, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Samara, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Samara
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Samara, round 4 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Samara, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Samara
            Germans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        4 fighters moved from Rostov to Iraq
        5 armour, 3 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Northwest Persia to Iraq
        3 armour and 9 mech_infantrys moved from Volgograd to Northwest Persia
        1 bomber moved from Kazakhstan to Northwest Persia
        2 aaGuns, 14 artilleries and 18 infantry moved from Volgograd to Caucasus
        1 bomber moved from Samara to Northwest Persia
        1 bomber moved from Western Ukraine to Caucasus
        1 fighter moved from Novgorod to Northwest Persia
        3 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to Iraq
        3 artilleries moved from France to Southern France
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France
        1 transport moved from 115 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Germany to 114 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 114 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
        4 artilleries, 3 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Finland to Vyborg
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 115 Sea Zone to Vyborg
        3 mech_infantrys moved from Baltic States to Vyborg
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Baltic States
        1 submarine moved from 113 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Denmark to Novgorod
        1 fighter moved from Denmark to Novgorod
        1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Novgorod
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Smolensk to 115 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Germans
        3 artilleries placed in Ukraine
        3 mech_infantrys placed in Novgorod
        10 infantry placed in Western Germany
        2 fighters and 2 infantry placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 1
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 99 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,1
        Germans collect 63 PUs (1 lost to blockades); end with 63 PUs
        Objective Germans 7 Control of Balkans: Germans met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 65 PUs
        Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 70 PUs
        Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 80 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans : -2.67
British : -0.33
Russians : -0.33

Savegame

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 9

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3 with Combat Move First, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 9

    Combat Move - Japanese
        1 transport moved from 34 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 43 Sea Zone to Borneo
        1 destroyer moved from 18 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from French Indo China to Borneo
        4 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Anhwe to Jehol
        1 infantry moved from Sikang to Kazakhstan
        1 bomber moved from Shensi to Kazakhstan
        2 fighters moved from 34 Sea Zone to Borneo
        1 armour, 3 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from French Indo China to Shan State
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State
        2 fighters moved from 34 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Japan to 35 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 2 carriers, 1 destroyer and 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Combat - Japanese
        Battle in Borneo
            Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 infantry
            British defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Borneo, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 infantry in Borneo, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in Borneo
            Japanese win, taking Borneo from UK_Pacific with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry
        Battle in 35 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 destroyer and 4 fighters
            ANZAC defend with 1 submarine
                Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer and 4 fighters in 35 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 submarine in 35 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Japanese and 1 submarine owned by the ANZAC lost in 35 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 4 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 submarine
        Battle in Jehol
            Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 4 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
            Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters, 4 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Jehol, round 2 : 2/8 hits, 3.00 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Jehol, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Jehol
            Japanese win, taking Jehol from Chinese with 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
        Battle in Kazakhstan
            Japanese attack with 1 bomber and 1 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 mech_infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Kazakhstan, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Kazakhstan, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 mech_infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Kazakhstan
            Japanese win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 mech_infantry
        Battle in Shan State
            Japanese attack with 2 armour, 4 artilleries, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            British defend with 2 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 2 armour, 4 artilleries, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Shan State, round 2 : 4/10 hits, 3.67 expected hits
                UK_Pacific roll dice for 2 infantry in Shan State, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the British lost in Shan State
            Japanese win, taking Shan State from UK_Pacific with 2 armour, 4 artilleries, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for British: 2 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Sikang
        1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Szechwan
        1 infantry moved from French Indo China to Yunnan
        1 artillery moved from Yunnan to Hunan
        1 infantry moved from Hunan to Anhwe
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Jehol to 6 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from 6 Sea Zone to Japan
        1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 6 Sea Zone to Korea
        1 infantry moved from Buryatia to Yakut S.S.R.
        1 infantry moved from Sakha to Buryatia
        1 infantry moved from Soviet Far East to Siberia
        2 fighters moved from Borneo to 43 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Anhwe to 6 Sea Zone
        2 carriers, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 34 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from 35 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to French Indo China
        1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
        1 bomber moved from Kazakhstan to Anhwe
        1 bomber moved from Borneo to Malaya
        1 infantry moved from Shensi to Tsinghai
        1 infantry moved from Kweichow to Shensi
        1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow

    Place Units - Japanese
        2 carriers and 1 destroyer placed in 6 Sea Zone
        3 infantry placed in French Indo China
        3 infantry placed in Malaya

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 6
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 42 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,5
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 37 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,4
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 36 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,5
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 20 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,2
        Japanese collect 54 PUs (6 lost to blockades); end with 54 PUs
        Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 57 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

ANZAC : 0.83
Chinese : 0.67
UK_Pacific : -1.00
Russians : 0.67
Japanese : -3.17

Savegame

Full scramble from Novgorod

Lose sub, dent both CVs.

@simon33 said in Wizmark (Allies+12) vs SImon33 (Axis) BM3 Game II:

Lose sub, dent both CVs.

hold on

Nah, right to go with my original decision. lose sub, dent CVs.