When can subs be used as fodder?

Thanks for the clarification.

Thanks guys. Understand now. Looking forward to starting a game after work tonight 😊

@Red:

Re: Looking for a copy of AA50- New or Used

« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2011, 05:36:44 pm »

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Seriously, your best bet to get this fantastic version of the game is to download the maps that IL has made and have it printed out.  Combine that with the wonderful player made setup-charts.

Then, buy yourself 2 copies of AA Spring 1942.

Take the Germans from one copy, spray them brown for Italy (Start with several light coats of Krylon fusion primer followed by several light coats of Krylon fusion brown).

Viola, you have yourself AA 50th Anniversary Edition.

Finding one for cheap any more is going to be ridiculously hard with it having been a limited production.

Where can I find “the maps that IL has made”?
Are these something that can be printed and then laminated?
I too love this game and cannot find a copy for a resonable price.
I like the idea of making the italians by painting them.  I’m just not sure where to get a copy of the actual map.
any help or links would be greatly appreciated.
thanks in advance.

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=23325.0

Yea so if you catch an AC out at sea with out a DD you may get the ftrs too if they can’t land within 1 space.

@General:

In every game of axis and allies AA I have played… Subs havebeen useless.  Nobody has ever bought any subs.  Destroyers are so esily obtained and massed with a fleet they provide cover from subs.  Germany was famed for its “wolfpack” but in AA germany doesnt even get to build a fleet unless the allies are losing hard.

Can anyone advocate the use of subs for any power in the game?

I can’t.

Sorry if I repeat someone but here goes:

Point of Submarines:

If you build a significant number of them before the enemy, and the enemy cannot keep up with destroyers, you can have a cheaper win.

Odds of Success:

Minimal at best.  Your opponent would have to be pretty dense to let you amass a huge fleet of submarines without having at least 50% that number in defensive destroyers/bonus hits on battleships to soak them.

Realistic Outcome:

Either no one has submarines, or everyone has submarines and no one has a surface fleet.  It just seems that’s where things pan out.  This is awesome since no one can really win the game without surface ships since both sides have an island capitol.

Smoke a bowl…

I agree.  The use of subs with aircraft is a gret combo for naval combat  (even better if you have super subs).  You can even make it cheaper if you have long range aircraft and jet fighter, transforming your fighters in better weapon than the original bomber.

I’m sorry to disagree, but long range aircraft benefits bombers so much it would be a waste to switch to fighters. Although saving 2 IPC per unit is nice, being able to bombard any territory or sea zone on the map at will is much too good to give up on - and thats what long range bombers do!

LHTR fixes some issues with box rules.  You can find the rules, and a discussion about them, on Larry’s site.