When can subs be used as fodder?

@victoryfirst
Never mind, I found it here:
https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/3158/missing-setup-charts-look-no-more/27?page=2

@Red:

Re: Looking for a copy of AA50- New or Used

« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2011, 05:36:44 pm »

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Seriously, your best bet to get this fantastic version of the game is to download the maps that IL has made and have it printed out.  Combine that with the wonderful player made setup-charts.

Then, buy yourself 2 copies of AA Spring 1942.

Take the Germans from one copy, spray them brown for Italy (Start with several light coats of Krylon fusion primer followed by several light coats of Krylon fusion brown).

Viola, you have yourself AA 50th Anniversary Edition.

Finding one for cheap any more is going to be ridiculously hard with it having been a limited production.

Where can I find “the maps that IL has made”?
Are these something that can be printed and then laminated?
I too love this game and cannot find a copy for a resonable price.
I like the idea of making the italians by painting them.  I’m just not sure where to get a copy of the actual map.
any help or links would be greatly appreciated.
thanks in advance.

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=23325.0

Since there was no sea battle in sea zone 12 and the destroyer did not participate in the amphibious assault, it did not participate in combat and is therefore free to move in noncombat movement.

This is an old debate. The numbers say if you made then 11 IPC and gave them one free AA roll at 1 against a plane ( one cruiser = one die roll) you got as balanced unit.

Or you can make them 10 and reduce the SB to 1-2 ( 3 is too strong) you also got a balanced unit.

Just do battles of DD vs CA  using total IPC of say 80 ipc or 160 ipc ( 8 or 16 CA vs> 10 or 20 DD)

Then also plug in numbers adding BB to each side ( say 3 per)

You will get a small DD advantage ( like 56%), the tipper is this AA roll or the 1-2 SB….you decide.

My last russian sub attacked a Jap. DD in the pacific with the help of a bomber.

This allowed the USA fleet to be unblocked and destroy the Jap. fleet.    :evil:

@General:

In every game of axis and allies AA I have played… Subs havebeen useless.  Nobody has ever bought any subs.  Destroyers are so esily obtained and massed with a fleet they provide cover from subs.  Germany was famed for its “wolfpack” but in AA germany doesnt even get to build a fleet unless the allies are losing hard.

Can anyone advocate the use of subs for any power in the game?

I can’t.

Sorry if I repeat someone but here goes:

Point of Submarines:

If you build a significant number of them before the enemy, and the enemy cannot keep up with destroyers, you can have a cheaper win.

Odds of Success:

Minimal at best.  Your opponent would have to be pretty dense to let you amass a huge fleet of submarines without having at least 50% that number in defensive destroyers/bonus hits on battleships to soak them.

Realistic Outcome:

Either no one has submarines, or everyone has submarines and no one has a surface fleet.  It just seems that’s where things pan out.  This is awesome since no one can really win the game without surface ships since both sides have an island capitol.

makes sense, thanks kreig.

LHTR fixes some issues with box rules.  You can find the rules, and a discussion about them, on Larry’s site.