oysteilo (Allies+9) vs Simon33 (Axis) BM3

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 3

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3 with Combat Move First, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 3

    Research Technology - Germans

    Politics - Germans
        Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to Allied
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral
        Trigger Russians Allied Americans 1: Changing Relationship for Russians and Americans from Neutrality to Allied

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Germany to 114 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Finland to Vyborg
              Germans take Vyborg from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
              Germans take Karelia from Russians
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 114 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 115 Sea Zone to Novgorod
        1 armour moved from Poland to Bessarabia
              Germans take Eastern Poland from Russians
              Germans take Bessarabia from Russians
        1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 114 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 114 Sea Zone
        3 bombers moved from Western Germany to 115 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from 115 Sea Zone to Novgorod
        2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 114 Sea Zone

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 2 infantry, 7 mech_infantrys and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in 115 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 battleship, 2 bombers, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
            Russians defend with 1 cruiser
                Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 2 bombers, 1 cruiser and 1 transport in 115 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 2.50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 cruiser in 115 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 cruiser owned by the Russians lost in 115 Sea Zone
            Germans win with 1 battleship, 2 bombers, 1 cruiser and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
            Casualties for Russians: 1 cruiser
        Battle in Novgorod
            Germans attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Novgorod, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Novgorod, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Novgorod
            Germans win, taking Novgorod from Russians with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in 114 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers
            Russians defend with 1 submarine
                Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers in 114 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/7 hits, 3.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in 114 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Russians lost in 114 Sea Zone
            Germans win with 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Russians: 1 submarine

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        2 bombers moved from 115 Sea Zone to Western Germany
        2 tactical_bombers moved from 114 Sea Zone to Poland
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 114 Sea Zone to Western Germany
        1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Western Germany
        9 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to Poland
        1 armour moved from Poland to Bessarabia
        3 aaGuns, 5 artilleries and 27 infantry moved from Romania to Bessarabia
        4 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Romania
        5 armour moved from Yugoslavia to Bessarabia
        1 bomber moved from Novgorod to Poland

    Place Units - Germans
        1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in France
        1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Germany
        1 armour and 7 mech_infantrys placed in Western Germany
        1 submarine placed in 112 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 1
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 125 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,6
        Germans collect 42 PUs (1 lost to blockades); end with 43 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 48 PUs
        Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 53 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans : -1.50
Russians : -1.00

Savegame

Aww man, I stuffed up. One of those planes didn’t have a landing space. Maybe I will just kill one as punishment?

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 3

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3 with Combat Move First, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 3

    Combat Move - Japanese
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        1 artillery moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to 36 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from French Indo China to 43 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from French Indo China to Borneo
        1 infantry moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Malaya to 37 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
        EDIT: 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to 25 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 43 Sea Zone to Borneo
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from French Indo China to 38 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Celebes to 44 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 44 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 37 Sea Zone to Borneo
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 37 Sea Zone to Java
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 44 Sea Zone to Java
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to 41 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 44 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from French Indo China to 41 Sea Zone

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Combat - Japanese
        Battle in 43 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 transport
            Americans defend with 1 transport
                1 transport owned by the Americans lost in 43 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 1 fighter and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for Americans: 1 transport
        Battle in 42 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 destroyer and 2 transports
            ANZAC defend with 1 transport
                1 transport owned by the ANZAC lost in 42 Sea Zone
            Japanese win, taking 42 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 destroyer and 2 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport
        Battle in Java
            Japanese attack with 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
            ANZAC defend with 2 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Java, round 2 : 4/7 hits, 3.00 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 2 infantry in Java, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the ANZAC lost in Java
            Japanese win, taking Java from ANZAC with 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for ANZAC: 2 infantry
        Battle in Borneo
            Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Americans defend with 2 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Borneo, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2.50 expected hits
                UK_Pacific roll dice for 2 infantry in Borneo, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 2 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Borneo
            Japanese win, taking Borneo from UK_Pacific with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry
        Battle in 41 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport
            French defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport in 41 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.83 expected hits
                French roll dice for 1 destroyer in 41 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the French lost in 41 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for French: 1 destroyer
        Battle in Sumatra
        Battle in 25 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
            Americans defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 25 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 25 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 25 Sea Zone
            Japanese win, taking Sumatra from Dutch with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer
        Battle in 38 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers
            British defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 38 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 38 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 fighter owned by the Japanese and 1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 38 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 fighter
            Casualties for British: 1 destroyer

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        1 fighter could not land in 41 Sea Zone and was removed
        1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 38 Sea Zone to French Indo China
        1 bomber moved from 41 Sea Zone to French Indo China
        1 bomber moved from Borneo to French Indo China
        2 carriers moved from 37 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Borneo to 42 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Borneo to 42 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 41 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 44 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 37 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 battleship moved from 44 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 43 Sea Zone to French Indo China
        1 aaGun and 3 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hunan
        1 mech_infantry moved from Kiangsu to Hunan
        2 infantry moved from Chahar to Anhwe
        4 infantry moved from Jehol to Anhwe
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe
        2 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 25 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
        1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 infantry, 1 marine and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 marine moved from 36 Sea Zone to French Indo China
        1 fighter moved from Japan to French Indo China

    Place Units - Japanese
        1 carrier and 1 destroyer placed in 6 Sea Zone
        1 infantry placed in Japan
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry placed in French Indo China
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Kiangsu

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Japanese collect 55 PUs; end with 55 PUs
        Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 58 PUs
        Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

British : 0.67
French : -0.33
ANZAC : -0.67
Americans : -0.33
UK_Pacific : 0.33
Japanese : 0.17

Savegame

You can’t intentionally crash the fighter.

Pac rules, p21, 2nd last para:
“You must have a carrier move, remain in place, or be
mobilized (new carriers only) to pick up a fighter or
tactical bomber that would end its noncombat movement in
a sea zone. You can’t deliberately move an air unit out of
range of a potential safe landing space.”

That’s why I asked what you wanted me to do after Japan’s turn.

Ok, but even if the sub dies and CV can’t move to SZ41, the CV and fighter can still move to SZ57 and must do so. As per the rule I quoted.

Now if I had blocked SZ55 you would be under no obligation to attack it providing you attacked SZ42. In that case no NCM would be possible and you could then crash the fighter because you had no choice.

I’m pretty sure there’s no way you can get that TT without it costing you a CV+ftr.

Similarly with the SZ43 one.

Ok, but the rule I quoted doesn’t clear it up for you?

If I had blocked 42, 45 and 55, you could have attacked 41 with a plane only if you attacked either SZ55 or SZ42. Attacking SZ42 if SZ55 is attacked is not needed because the CV doesn’t need to reach SZ41, only SZ57. Similarly if you attack SZ42 and SZ45, your CV can move SZ54->SZ46->SZ45->SZ42 in theory.

Similarly with SZ43. You could attack SZ45 in that scenario because the CV only needs to reach SZ44.

In the scenario in this game, you could expend a sub to attack SZ42 and attack both undefended TTs but it still costs a CV because it has to move to catch one of the planes.

I feel I’ve covered all the scenarios.

@simon33 said in oysteilo (Allies+9) vs Simon33 (Axis) BM3:

Ok, but the rule I quoted doesn’t clear it up for you?

If I had blocked 42, 45 and 55, you could have attacked 41 with a plane only if you attacked either SZ55 or both SZ42 & SZ45. Attacking SZ42 if SZ55 is attacked is not needed because the CV doesn’t need to reach SZ41, only SZ57. Similarly if you attack SZ42 and SZ45, your CV can move SZ54->SZ46->SZ45->SZ42 in theory.

Similarly with SZ43. You could attack SZ45 in that scenario because the CV only needs to reach SZ44.

In the scenario in this game, you could expend a sub to attack SZ42 and attack both undefended TTs but it still costs a CV because it has to move to catch one of the planes.

I feel I’ve covered all the scenarios.

Slight correction in the bolded bit.

The rule seems clear to me that you have to move the cv to sz57, regardless of whether sz42 is attacked or not.

@simon33 said in oysteilo (Allies+9) vs Simon33 (Axis) BM3:

Pac rules, p21, 2nd last para:
“You must have a carrier move, remain in place, or be
mobilized (new carriers only) to pick up a fighter or
tactical bomber that would end its noncombat movement in
a sea zone. You can’t deliberately move an air unit out of
range of a potential safe landing space.”