After buying this yesterday, and it was working perfectly, today it won’t open. Do I need a patch?
Getting your IPCs back if you don't deploy
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Actually the rules for a refund have been clarified in the official FAQ:
Purchasing Units
Q. Can I purposely purchase more units than I can mobilize with the intent of deciding which
units I want to keep based on the outcome of battles I intend to fight?
A. No. You may only purchase as many units as you will have the ability to mobilize after making repairs
to any damaged industrial complexes. The rules for returning excess units are intended only for
inadvertent over-purchasing.
So buying more units than are placable is a violation of the rules and should be forbidden.
If the software prevented from overbuying an “inadvertent over-purchasing” would not be possible. -
@Panther In that case, those were placable units, I just decided not to place them after the fighters died. And it meant I didn’t recruit 28 IPCs during that turn.
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@JuliusBorisovBeamdog How that? You have no choice not to place the units you bought…
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@Panther See the OP.
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@JuliusBorisovBeamdog
If you refer to this:What I did was to buy 2 ACs in Karelia so that 4 my fighters from Germany could get there after attacking the SZ next to Norway. However, during the combat, all 4 fighters were destroyed, this is why I didn’t buy the ACs.
Assuming that you mean “place” instead of “buy” in the last sentence the rule is that you have to place the carriers you bought regardless of how that battle ended. Or what am I missing?
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Yes, this is what this thread tries to discuss. Getting your IPCs back if you don’t deploy.
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Ok, I was motivated to add the clarification of the rules to this part of the discussion:
@aardvarkpepper said in Getting your IPCs back if you don't deploy:
Needing to deploy all units or losing them with no IPC refund isn’t quite how it works in 1942. If you purchase more units than you can place due to production limitations, excess units that cannot be placed can be refunded. So you could legitimately pull off that carrier non-placement thing under certain conditions - say Germany had 59 IPC, controlled ICs on Karelia, Germany, and Italy, bought 15 infantry and 1 carrier, then it wouldn’t be able to place one of the units and would get a refund per 1942 version board game rules. But the current 1942 Online implementation just gives a flat refund and allows players to not place purchased units, which isn’t correct and which can be exploited as mentioned.
What I wanted to express is that by the rules any overbuy is forbidden in any case.
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@Panther: That’s very interesting. I’d been using the FAQ dated September 3, 2014 at
http://www.wizards.com/AvalonHill/rules/AA1942_2ndEdition_FAQ.pdf
but apparently there’s a more recent version dated November 24, 2014 at
https://media.wizards.com/2015/downloads/ah/AA_1942_2nd_Edition_FAQ.pdf
You are, of course, quite correct. The software should prevent overbuying, and players should have to mobilize all units purchased.
My statement, based on the old FAQ, was incorrect.
@JuliusBorisovBeamdog Players are not supposed to be able to voluntarily not place units then get a refund for any non-placed units.
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@aardvarkpepper said in Getting your IPCs back if you don't deploy:
but apparently there’s a more recent version dated November 24, 2014 at
https://media.wizards.com/2015/downloads/ah/AA_1942_2nd_Edition_FAQ.pdfIndeed, at that time that rule had been introduced to 1942 2nd ed., Europe/Pacific/Global 1940 2nd ed. and 1941.
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I think the issue here is less the being able to place units you buy, and more the exploits that become possible by buying a unit you never intend to place.
For example, if I buy a CV on a UK turn, I can hypothetically fly a FTR from Moscow to attack a German Navy in the Baltic Sea, even if Karelia/Norway/Germany/Poland/Baltic States are all German-owned, because I can hypothetically land those FTRs in the SZ adjacent to the Baltic Sea and UK during NCM. However, as is, I can carry out this attack even if it’s a blatant suicide mission, because as soon as the FTRs are dead I am no longer obligated to place the CV I bought earlier, meaning I can save placing it for next turn, effectively giving UK 14 free IPCs towards their next naval purchase and denying Germany a chance to pounce on a vulnerable CV for free value.
EDIT: Thanks for the clarification @JuliusBorisovBeamdog. Glad to see you and the team are still working hard at making improvements. The game has come a long way since launch quality-wise and I’m sure everyone here appreciates the continued dedication.
EDIT #2: I guess what I’m saying is that the purchase system should be left as-written in the rules. Players should be punished for bad tactical decision making. Otherwise all games would just come down to a combination of luck, basic knowledge of the map being played, and which side the map being played is biased towards. It’d be more of an exercise in optimization than an actual game.
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