Edit: What-if UK did not go for aggressive Medi fgt buy in UK1, and instead focus on sea mine in sz 12 and 15, and buy inf art atg at ratio of 4:2:1 and occasional tnk bmb for Cairo.
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Classic 2nd edition, CrazyIvan (Allies) vs AcesWild (Axis), RR no bid regular dice, Game 2
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Crosses fingers!
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TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 1
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Classic, version: 2.0
Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 2 infantry moved from Evenki National Okrug to Yakut S.S.R. 1 infantry moved from Soviet Far East to Yakut S.S.R. 4 infantry moved from Russia to Karelia S.S.R. 1 fighter moved from Russia to Karelia S.S.R. 1 submarine moved from Karelia Sea Zone to North Sea Zone 1 transport moved from Karelia Sea Zone to North Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Karelia S.S.R. 1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Persia 2 infantry moved from Caucasus to Karelia S.S.R. 1 armour moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Persia 1 armour moved from Russia to Persia 1 armour moved from Russia to Persia 1 armour moved from Soviet Far East to Novosibirsk Combat - Russians Trigger Russians Can Move: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared for rulesAttachment attached to Russians Trigger Russians Can Move: Setting movementRestrictionType to disallowed for rulesAttachment attached to Russians Non Combat Move - Russians Place Units - Russians 8 infantry placed in Karelia S.S.R. Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 24 PUs; end with 24 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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Ok, so let’s see if I have at least gotten the bugs worked out of creating game threads in the right folder, and corrected the mistakes made in the game setup window. :)
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Just as a double check, here is what the creation window looked like:
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Well done. I’m happy to play another game, just give me a couple days to get some smaller monkeys off my back and I’ll be ready to throw down.
I look forward to being able to record the dice rolls for this game.
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OK, sounds good. I’m especially interested to discuss my latest thoughts on how to get classic ‘back on the menu’, as it were, and I think I may have a way to bring balance to the game in a way that doesn’t totally break it in the process. I know you are leaning towards the whole RR thing, and I’m good playing with that optional rule for your test games, but I feel that that still doesn’t address some issues/concerns that I have, and also that removing their ability to ‘dish some out’ entirely kinda breaks the game.
Before I go there, though, I want to have the allies down pat, and honestly, I think that I’ll need several games to get myself into the groove, and so hope to make a habit of playing the allies to your axis regularly for the next several days/weeks. :)
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TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 1
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Classic, version: 2.0
Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 5 armour and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 2 armour, 1 fighter and 3 infantry moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Karelia S.S.R. 1 armour, 1 fighter and 3 infantry moved from East Europe to Karelia S.S.R. 1 armour, 1 fighter and 3 infantry moved from Finland Norway to Karelia S.S.R. 1 fighter moved from Germany to Karelia S.S.R. 1 armour moved from South Europe to Karelia S.S.R. 2 armour moved from Germany to Karelia S.S.R. 1 bomber moved from Germany to Karelia S.S.R. 1 fighter moved from West Europe to Karelia S.S.R. 2 infantry moved from Germany to Baltic Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Baltic Sea Zone to Karelia S.S.R. 2 infantry moved from South Europe to Central Mediteranean Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from Central Mediteranean Sea Zone to Black Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Black Sea Zone to Caucasus 1 battleship moved from Central Mediteranean Sea Zone to Black Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from West Spain Sea Zone to East Canada Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Algeria to French West Africa Germans take French West Africa from British 1 armour moved from Libya to Congo Germans take French Equatorial Africa from British Germans take Congo from British Combat - Germans Battle in East Canada Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 submarine British defend with 1 transport Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in East Canada Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 transport owned by the British lost in East Canada Sea Zone Germans win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for British: 1 transport Battle in Caucasus Germans attack with 2 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 battleship in Caucasus, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Caucasus, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Caucasus Germans win, taking Caucasus from Russians with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Karelia S.S.R. Germans attack with 7 armour, 1 bomber, 5 fighters and 11 infantry Russians defend with 1 aaGun, 1 factory, 2 fighters and 18 infantry AA fire in Karelia S.S.R. : 2/6 hits, 1.00 expected hits 2 fighters owned by the Germans lost in Karelia S.S.R. Germans roll dice for 7 armour, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 11 infantry in Karelia S.S.R., round 2 : 8/22 hits, 7.50 expected hits Russians roll dice for 2 fighters and 18 infantry in Karelia S.S.R., round 2 : 7/20 hits, 7.33 expected hits 8 infantry owned by the Russians and 7 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Karelia S.S.R. Germans roll dice for 7 armour, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 4 infantry in Karelia S.S.R., round 3 : 8/15 hits, 6.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 2 fighters and 10 infantry in Karelia S.S.R., round 3 : 5/12 hits, 4.67 expected hits 8 infantry owned by the Russians, 4 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Karelia S.S.R. Germans roll dice for 6 armour, 1 bomber and 3 fighters in Karelia S.S.R., round 4 : 4/10 hits, 5.17 expected hits Russians roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Karelia S.S.R., round 4 : 2/4 hits, 2.00 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Russians, 2 fighters owned by the Russians and 2 armour owned by the Germans lost in Karelia S.S.R. Germans win, taking Karelia S.S.R. from Russians with 4 armour, 1 bomber and 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Germans: 3 armour, 2 fighters and 11 infantry Casualties for Russians: 2 fighters and 18 infantry Non Combat Move - Germans 1 fighter moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Germany 2 fighters moved from Karelia S.S.R. to East Europe 2 infantry moved from Germany to East Europe 1 bomber moved from Karelia S.S.R. to East Europe 2 armour moved from West Europe to East Europe 1 infantry moved from West Europe to Germany 1 aaGun moved from South Europe to East Europe 1 aaGun moved from West Europe to South Europe 1 infantry moved from Libya to French Equatorial Africa Place Units - Germans 5 armour and 2 infantry placed in Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 41 PUs; end with 42 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans : 2.00 AA fire in Karelia S.S.R. : : 1.00 Russians : -0.33 -
I’m still having some issues, it seems.
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Ok, so I was attempting to play around using the TripleA engine, with our game, and run through several turns of different ideas. I didn’t save/post any turns, as I was just trying out some ideas, and I couldn’t actually get to the USA 1 turn without having the Japanese do nothing on J1, so I just wanted to playtest some stuff out, but it looks like I cannot playtest a game without generating actual dice server emails.
Not sure if this is because I loaded up a PBF save game, in PBF mode, and then playtested it, or should have loaded it up as a local game in order to playtest it, or if there is some other way to playtest a given position, without it triggering dice server roll emails.
I’m ok with the playtest results if you want me to use those dice rolls, but I don’t have a save game file from that stage. I ran up to R3 in my playtest, IIRC, but the dice server emails seem to have only covered my B1 turn.
I’m sorry, I don’t mean to be a problem, I’m just having trouble figuring things out. So I should probably ask the following questions:
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When playing a PBF game, is there a way to playtest out different options/ideas, without triggering dice server emails in the process?
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If you do playtest out several turns ahead, is there a way to go back and just save the game at the point where you should have saved it as an actual turn?
Because right now, when I tried to go back and recreate B1, I tried to just walk the game to the end of the B1 turn, and save at that point, thinking that even though I had not actually been sure I wanted to go that route, that was the closest I was going to be able to come to a legit B1. Unfortunately, the autosave file is from B2 or B3, which is where I had playtested too until called away, and when I returned, that is when I discovered the playtesting had in fact triggered server dice roll emails for my B1 runthrough.
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Actually, now that I’m looking at it, every allied turn in round 1 seems to have generated dice rolls, including B2, and the taking of western europe. I keep having throbbing, pulsating pain in my right eye, and it is coming and going for the last several hours.
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@CrazyIvan I’ve made this mistake before. The trick to playtesting your turn without reporting is to “Start Local Game” after you download the most recent file. Then you can roll away to your hearts content and it wont saturate my inbox haha.
As to what is going on with your game, I’m not sure. You might want to ask the forum vets to help you out. I’m not a AAA expert I’m sorry to say.
I’d prefer that you complete B1 followed by an immediate post die roll post of your turn. I haven’t looked at the rolls and my vote is to just redo B1 and submit successfully, then we’ll count it.
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TripleA Turn Summary: British round 1
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Classic, version: 2.0
Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - British British buy 1 carrier, 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - British AA fire in East Europe : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Black Sea Zone 1 battleship moved from West Mediteranean Sea Zone to Black Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from East Mediteranean Sea Zone to Black Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Baltic Sea Zone 1 armour moved from Anglo Sudan Egypt to Algeria British take Libya from Germans British take Algeria from Germans 2 infantry moved from India to Indian Ocean Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from Indian Ocean Sea Zone to Red Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Red Sea Zone to Anglo Sudan Egypt 1 infantry moved from Syria Jordan to Anglo Sudan Egypt 1 infantry moved from South Africa to Kenya-Rhodesia 1 armour moved from East Canada to West Canada 2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to North Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from North Sea Zone to Finland Norway British take Finland Norway from Germans Combat - British Battle in Baltic Sea Zone British attack with 2 fighters Germans defend with 1 submarine and 1 transport British roll dice for 2 fighters in Baltic Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 transport in Baltic Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits British roll dice for 2 fighters in Baltic Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 transport in Baltic Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits British roll dice for 2 fighters in Baltic Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 transport in Baltic Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits British roll dice for 2 fighters in Baltic Sea Zone, round 5 : 1/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 transport in Baltic Sea Zone, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in Baltic Sea Zone British roll dice for 2 fighters in Baltic Sea Zone, round 6 : 2/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 transport in Baltic Sea Zone, round 6 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 transport owned by the Germans lost in Baltic Sea Zone British win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 16 Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine and 1 transport Battle in Black Sea Zone British attack with 1 battleship, 1 bomber and 1 submarine Germans defend with 1 battleship and 1 transport British roll dice for 1 submarine in Black Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits British roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 bomber in Black Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 transport in Black Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits 1 battleship owned by the Germans and 1 transport owned by the Germans lost in Black Sea Zone British win with 1 battleship, 1 bomber and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 32 Casualties for Germans: 1 battleship and 1 transport Non Combat Move - British 2 fighters moved from Baltic Sea Zone to Russia 1 fighter moved from India to Russia 1 bomber moved from Black Sea Zone to Anglo Sudan Egypt Place Units - British 1 infantry placed in United Kingdom 1 carrier and 1 transport placed in North Sea Zone Turn Complete - British British collect 31 PUs; end with 32 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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Alright! And sorry for all the problems. Let me hit that real quick.
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Alright! Got that turn done, AND properly posted, back to Japan for their J!.
10:21pm, June 4th.
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TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 1
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Classic, version: 2.0
Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 3 transports; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Japanese 3 infantry moved from Manchuria to China 2 infantry moved from Kwangtung to China 1 infantry moved from French Indo China to India Japanese take India from British 1 fighter moved from French Indo China to China 1 fighter moved from Manchuria to China 1 fighter moved from Japan to China 1 bomber moved from Japan to China Combat - Japanese Battle in China Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 5 infantry Americans defend with 1 fighter and 2 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 5 infantry in China, round 2 : 4/9 hits, 3.00 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in China, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Japanese, 2 infantry owned by the Americans and 1 fighter owned by the Americans lost in China Japanese win, taking China from Americans with 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12 Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry Casualties for Americans: 1 fighter and 2 infantry Non Combat Move - Japanese 3 fighters moved from China to Manchuria 1 bomber moved from China to Manchuria 1 infantry moved from Japan to Japan Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Japan Sea Zone to Okinawa Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Okinawa to Okinawa Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from Okinawa Sea Zone to Japan Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Japan Sea Zone to Manchuria 1 infantry moved from Philippines to Philippines Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Philippines Sea Zone to Japan Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Japan to Japan Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Japan Sea Zone to Manchuria 1 fighter moved from Caroline Islands Sea Zone to Japan Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Philippines to Japan Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from Caroline Islands Sea Zone to Japan Sea Zone 1 battleship moved from Caroline Islands Sea Zone to Japan Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from Solomon Islands Sea Zone to Japan Sea Zone Place Units - Japanese 3 transports placed in Japan Sea Zone Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 30 PUs; end with 31 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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TripleA Turn Summary: Americans round 1
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Classic, version: 2.0
Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 1 infantry and 4 submarines; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 1 fighter moved from West US to East Canada Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from East US to East Canada Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from East US to East US Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from East US Sea Zone to West Spain Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from West Spain Sea Zone to West Europe 1 bomber moved from East US to West Europe Combat - Americans Battle in West Europe Americans attack with 1 bomber and 2 infantry Germans defend with 1 infantry Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in West Europe, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in West Europe, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in West Europe Americans win, taking West Europe from Germans with 1 bomber and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Battle in East Canada Sea Zone Americans attack with 2 fighters Germans defend with 1 submarine Americans roll dice for 2 fighters in East Canada Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in East Canada Sea Zone Americans win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Non Combat Move - Americans 2 fighters moved from East Canada Sea Zone to North Sea Zone 1 armour moved from East US to East Canada 2 infantry moved from West US to West Canada 1 carrier, 1 fighter and 1 submarine moved from Hawaii Sea Zone to West US Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from West Europe to United Kingdom Place Units - Americans 4 submarines placed in West US Sea Zone 1 infantry placed in West US Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 40 PUs; end with 41 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 2
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Classic, version: 2.0
Game History
Round: 2 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 3 armour moved from Persia to India 1 infantry moved from Persia to India 1 armour moved from Novosibirsk to India Combat - Russians Battle in India Russians attack with 4 armour and 1 infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 4 armour and 1 infantry in India, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2.17 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in India, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in India Russians win, taking India from Japanese with 4 armour and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians 6 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Novosibirsk 1 infantry moved from Soviet Far East to Yakut S.S.R. Place Units - Russians 8 infantry placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 18 PUs; end with 18 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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Almost forgot to do the Russians 2.
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TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 2
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Classic, version: 2.0
Game History
Round: 2 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 14 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 2 infantry moved from Germany to West Europe 1 armour moved from Germany to West Europe 4 armour moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Russia 2 infantry moved from Caucasus to Russia 2 fighters moved from East Europe to Russia 1 bomber moved from East Europe to Russia 1 fighter moved from Germany to Russia 2 armour moved from East Europe to Russia 1 infantry moved from Germany to West Europe Combat - Germans Battle in West Europe Germans attack with 1 armour and 3 infantry Americans defend with 2 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 3 infantry in West Europe, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits Americans roll dice for 2 infantry in West Europe, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 3 infantry in West Europe, round 3 : 1/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits Americans roll dice for 2 infantry in West Europe, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in West Europe Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 2 infantry in West Europe, round 4 : 0/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in West Europe, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in West Europe Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in West Europe, round 5 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in West Europe, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in West Europe Germans win, taking West Europe from Americans with 1 armour and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry Battle in Russia Germans attack with 6 armour, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 2 infantry British defend with 3 fighters; Russians defend with 1 aaGun, 1 factory and 8 infantry AA fire in Russia : 0/4 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 6 armour, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 2 infantry in Russia, round 2 : 9/12 hits, 5.50 expected hits Russians roll dice for 3 fighters and 8 infantry in Russia, round 2 : 4/11 hits, 4.67 expected hits 8 infantry owned by the Russians, 2 infantry owned by the Germans, 2 armour owned by the Germans and 1 fighter owned by the British lost in Russia Germans roll dice for 4 armour, 1 bomber and 3 fighters in Russia, round 3 : 6/8 hits, 4.17 expected hits Russians roll dice for 2 fighters in Russia, round 3 : 2/2 hits, 1.33 expected hits 2 armour owned by the Germans and 2 fighters owned by the British lost in Russia Germans captures 18PUs while taking Russians capital Germans win, taking Russia from Russians with 2 armour, 1 bomber and 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 34 Casualties for Germans: 4 armour and 2 infantry Casualties for British: 3 fighters Casualties for Russians: 8 infantry Non Combat Move - Germans 1 armour moved from Congo to French West Africa 1 infantry moved from French Equatorial Africa to French West Africa 1 aaGun moved from South Europe to West Europe 1 aaGun moved from East Europe to South Europe 2 infantry moved from East Europe to Karelia S.S.R. 3 fighters moved from Russia to Karelia S.S.R. 1 bomber moved from Russia to Germany Place Units - Germans 3 infantry placed in Karelia S.S.R. 4 infantry placed in South Europe 7 infantry placed in Germany Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Germany: 1 armour EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Karelia S.S.R.: 1 armour EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 45 PUs; end with 63 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans : 3.83 AA fire in Russia : : -0.67 Americans : 0.00 Russians : -0.00
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