Classic 2nd edition, Avin (Allies) vs AcesWild (Axis), no bid

The_Good_Captain

TripleA Move Summary: Germans round 1

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Classic, version: 2.0

Game History

Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 10 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        3 infantry moved from East Europe to Ukraine S.S.R.
        1 fighter moved from Finland Norway to East Canada Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from West Spain Sea Zone to West Mediteranean Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from South Europe to Central Mediteranean Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from Central Mediteranean Sea Zone to East Mediteranean Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from East Mediteranean Sea Zone to Anglo Sudan Egypt
        1 battleship moved from Central Mediteranean Sea Zone to East Mediteranean Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from Libya to French Equatorial Africa
              Germans take French Equatorial Africa from British
        1 armour moved from French Equatorial Africa to Anglo Sudan Egypt
        1 infantry moved from Libya to Anglo Sudan Egypt
        1 fighter moved from West Europe to West Mediteranean Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Germany to Ukraine S.S.R.
        1 fighter moved from Germany to Ukraine S.S.R.
        1 fighter moved from East Europe to Ukraine S.S.R.
        1 armour moved from East Europe to Ukraine S.S.R.

Savegame

The_Good_Captain

@Avin

The_Good_Captain

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 1

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Classic, version: 2.0

Game History

Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 10 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        Turning on Edit Mode
        3 infantry moved from East Europe to Ukraine S.S.R.
        1 fighter moved from Finland Norway to East Canada Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from West Spain Sea Zone to West Mediteranean Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from South Europe to Central Mediteranean Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from Central Mediteranean Sea Zone to East Mediteranean Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from East Mediteranean Sea Zone to Anglo Sudan Egypt
        1 battleship moved from Central Mediteranean Sea Zone to East Mediteranean Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from Libya to French Equatorial Africa
              Germans take French Equatorial Africa from British
        1 armour moved from French Equatorial Africa to Anglo Sudan Egypt
        1 infantry moved from Libya to Anglo Sudan Egypt
        1 fighter moved from West Europe to West Mediteranean Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Germany to Ukraine S.S.R.
        1 fighter moved from Germany to Ukraine S.S.R.
        1 fighter moved from East Europe to Ukraine S.S.R.
        1 armour moved from East Europe to Ukraine S.S.R.

    Combat - Germans
        EDIT: Battle in East Canada Sea Zone
            EDIT: Germans attack with 1 fighter
            EDIT: British defend with 1 transport
                EDIT: 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                EDIT: 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                EDIT: 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                EDIT: 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
            EDIT:  retreated to East Canada Sea Zone
            EDIT: British win
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from East Canada Sea Zone: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from East Mediteranean Sea Zone: 1 submarine
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Black Sea Zone: 1 submarine
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Battle in East Mediteranean Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 battleship and 1 transport
        Battle in Anglo Sudan Egypt
            Germans attack with 1 armour and 3 infantry
            British defend with 1 armour and 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 3 infantry in Anglo Sudan Egypt, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in Anglo Sudan Egypt, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Germans, 1 infantry owned by the British and 1 armour owned by the British lost in Anglo Sudan Egypt
            Germans winGermans win with 1 battleship and 1 transport remaining, taking Anglo Sudan Egypt from British with 1 armour and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
            Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
            Casualties for British: 1 armour and 1 infantry
        Battle in West Mediteranean Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 fighter and 1 submarine
            British defend with 1 battleship
                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in West Mediteranean Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 fighter in West Mediteranean Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 battleship in West Mediteranean Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Germans and 1 battleship owned by the British lost in West Mediteranean Sea Zone
            Germans win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 16
            Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
            Casualties for British: 1 battleship
        Battle in Ukraine S.S.R.
            Germans attack with 1 armour, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 3 infantry
            Russians defend with 3 armour and 4 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 3 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 3/7 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 3 armour and 4 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 1/7 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                3 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 3 : 1/6 hits, 2.50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 3 armour and 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 3 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 4 : 2/5 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 3 armour in Ukraine S.S.R., round 4 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                2 armour owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 bomber and 2 fighters in Ukraine S.S.R., round 5 : 1/4 hits, 2.17 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 armour in Ukraine S.S.R., round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 armour owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
            Germans win, taking Ukraine S.S.R. from Russians with 1 armour, 1 bomber and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 18
            Casualties for Germans: 3 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 3 armour and 4 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        1 infantry moved from Algeria to French Equatorial Africa
        1 bomber moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to West Europe
        1 armour moved from South Europe to West Europe
        2 armour moved from Germany to West Europe
        1 infantry moved from West Europe to South Europe
        1 fighter moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to West Europe
        1 fighter moved from West Mediteranean Sea Zone to West Europe
        1 fighter moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Germany

    Place Units - Germans
        4 infantry placed in South Europe
        6 infantry placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 35 PUs; end with 37 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans : -1.50
British : 1.67
EDIT: : -1.33
Russians : -2.00

Savegame

Avin

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Savegame

Avin

Hmm, the save complained about being corrupted the first time I loaded it and my credentials weren’t correct. Let’s see if there’s any glitches after this.

Avin

TripleA Turn Summary: British round 1

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Classic, version: 2.0

Game History

Round: 1

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 4 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 infantry moved from Syria Jordan to Anglo Sudan Egypt
        2 infantry moved from India to Indian Ocean Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from India to Anglo Sudan Egypt
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from Indian Ocean Sea Zone to Red Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Red Sea Zone to Anglo Sudan Egypt
        1 submarine moved from Black Sea Zone to East Mediteranean Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to East Mediteranean Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Finland Norway
        1 armour moved from East Canada to East Canada Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to North Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 transport moved from East Canada Sea Zone to North Sea Zone
        1 armour and 2 infantry moved from North Sea Zone to Finland Norway

    Combat - British
        Battle in East Mediteranean Sea Zone
            British attack with 1 bomber and 1 submarine
            Germans defend with 1 battleship and 1 transport
                British roll dice for 1 submarine in East Mediteranean Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 bomber in East Mediteranean Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 transport in East Mediteranean Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                1 transport owned by the Germans and 1 submarine owned by the British lost in East Mediteranean Sea Zone
                British roll dice for 1 bomber in East Mediteranean Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 battleship in East Mediteranean Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 bomber in East Mediteranean Sea Zone, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 battleship in East Mediteranean Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 battleship owned by the Germans lost in East Mediteranean Sea Zone
            British win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 24
            Casualties for British: 1 submarine
            Casualties for Germans: 1 battleship and 1 transport
        Battle in Anglo Sudan Egypt
            British attack with 1 fighter and 3 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 armour and 1 infantry
                British roll dice for 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Anglo Sudan Egypt, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in Anglo Sudan Egypt, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans, 1 armour owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Anglo Sudan Egypt
            British win, taking Anglo Sudan Egypt from Germans with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 1 armour and 1 infantry
        Battle in Finland Norway
            British attack with 1 armour, 2 fighters and 2 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 armour and 3 infantry
                British roll dice for 1 battleship in Finland Norway, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 armour, 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Finland Norway, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 3 infantry in Finland Norway, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                3 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Finland Norway
                British roll dice for 1 armour, 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Finland Norway, round 3 : 1/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Finland Norway, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 armour owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Finland Norway
            British win, taking Finland Norway from Germans with 1 armour, 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 11
            Casualties for Germans: 1 armour and 3 infantry
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - British
        2 fighters moved from Finland Norway to Karelia S.S.R.
        1 fighter moved from Anglo Sudan Egypt to Syria Jordan
        1 bomber moved from East Mediteranean Sea Zone to Syria Jordan
        1 infantry moved from South Africa to Kenya-Rhodesia

    Place Units - British
        2 transports placed in North Sea Zone
        4 infantry placed in United Kingdom

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 31 PUs; end with 33 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans : -1.50
British : 0.33

Savegame

Avin

I feel like I’ve been doing quite a bit better than average on rolls so far; let’s see if that holds up.

What is your opinion on LowLuck dice? I feel like based on the videos of yours that I have watched so far, you tend to favor relatively conservative play in order to mitigate extreme swings of the dice, which LowLuck is meant to help with. If you’d like. we can play a followup game that way too.

The_Good_Captain

@Avin

Yes, this appears catastrophic thanks to the dice. I’ll send you the round stats when I get home as I don’t have my spreadsheet in front of me. Though it is frustrating as a player, this is good as a statistical data point. Toward that end I won’t concede any game prior to the completion of round 3 so if it’s all the same to you, I will do my absolute best until then.

I have not heard of low luck. What is that?

Avin

I’m, happy to play this out further and appreciate your willingness to stick it out, but definitely let’s rematch after this as I’d much rather face you on a more level playing field.

LowLuck is where instead of rolling one die per unit in each round of battle, you instead add up the strength of all your units for each round of battle, divide by 6, and get that many “guaranteed” hits, and then roll one die for the remainder. So for instance on that first battle with Russia against Manchuria, 5 inf 1 arm would be a single guaranteed hit, then I would roll one die and get a second hit at a 2 or less. On defense, you would get one guaranteed hit and roll a die at 4 or less for a potential second hit.

The net effect for large battles especially is that it chops off the ends of the bell curve, so that there’s still room for a variety of results but you will never see the extremely lucky outcomes one way or another.

It however does nothing for small unit count individual battles, like the lone fighter against LAB transport - that plays out exactly the same way. So you still have to be careful with potentially swingy battles like that.

Avin

Oh and I forgot to mention that TripleA supports LowLuck with a single option when you set up the game. It also has additional options to explicitly set LowLuck for antiaircraft guns (which works similarly: instead of rolling one die per aircraft, you add up the number of aircraft, divide by six if greater than or equal to six, and roll one die total for the remainder), LowLuck for Bombing and Territory damage (which I believe gives you either 3 or 4 ipcs of damage per bomber every time, depending on a die roll) and LowLuck for Technology (I’m not sure how this works, but my guess is divide the number of dice you purchase by 6 again for that many advancements).

The_Good_Captain

Dice stats prior to J1:

Axis
1’s 1/11
2s 6/18
4’s 5/11
plus “lone transport on defense” 0/4

Allies
1s 6/22
2s 5/16
3s 9/20
4s 4/5

plus “lone transport on defense” 1/1

The_Good_Captain

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 1

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Classic, version: 2.0

Game History

Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 3 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        1 infantry moved from French Indo China to India
              Japanese take India from British
        1 infantry moved from French Indo China to China
        2 infantry moved from Kwangtung to China
        1 fighter moved from French Indo China to China
        1 fighter moved from Japan to China
        1 bomber moved from Japan to China
        2 infantry moved from Japan to Japan Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from Japan Sea Zone to Soviet Far East Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Soviet Far East Sea Zone to Soviet Far East
              Japanese take Soviet Far East from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Philippines to Philippines Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Philippines Sea Zone to Okinawa Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Okinawa to Okinawa Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from Okinawa Sea Zone to Japan Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Japan Sea Zone to Manchuria
        1 battleship moved from Caroline Islands Sea Zone to Japan Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Philippines to Manchuria
        1 fighter moved from Caroline Islands Sea Zone to Manchuria

    Combat - Japanese
        Battle in Manchuria
            Japanese attack with 2 fighters and 2 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 armour and 2 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships in Manchuria, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Manchuria, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 armour and 2 infantry in Manchuria, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Japanese and 2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Manchuria
                Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters in Manchuria, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 armour in Manchuria, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 fighter owned by the Japanese lost in Manchuria
                Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter in Manchuria, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 armour in Manchuria, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 armour owned by the Russians lost in Manchuria
            Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is -7
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 fighter and 2 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 armour and 2 infantry
        Battle in China
            Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 3 infantry
            Americans defend with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 3 infantry in China, round 2 : 1/6 hits, 2.17 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in China, round 2 : 3/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                3 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in China
                Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 fighters in China, round 3 : 3/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in China, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Americans and 1 fighter owned by the Americans lost in China
            Japanese win with 1 bomber and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
            Casualties for Japanese: 3 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 1 fighter and 2 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        1 fighter moved from Manchuria to Japan Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from Caroline Islands Sea Zone to Japan Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from China to Japan Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from China to Kwangtung
        1 bomber moved from China to Japan
        1 submarine moved from Solomon Islands Sea Zone to Japan Sea Zone

    Place Units - Japanese
        3 infantry placed in Japan
        2 transports placed in Japan Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Japanese collect 27 PUs; end with 27 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans : 0.67
Russians : 1.33
Japanese : -1.00

Savegame

The_Good_Captain

when it rains, it pours

Avin

Wow, that’s crushing! Would you like to take a mulligan on at least that Manchuria battle, or perhaps at least take a fighter back or something? You’ve just been so crushed thus far by dice more so than anything I’ve done that even if things swing back the other way, the damage has already been done since the first turn is so important.

If you do want to continue to play things out just for the sake of completionism of your stats and records I’d respect that but I’ll also be anxious to quickly move on to a second game.

I’ll start the US turn now based on your save as is but feel free to decide if you’d like to amend anything here.

The_Good_Captain

At this point, I feel sorry asking YOU to play out the next two rounds, haha. Please finish your USA turn to have one round complete for stats purposes and then I will concede this game. I’ll still use it as a data point, hopefully one that remains at the end of the bell curve.

Also, I am now ready to concede that the Axis probably needs Russia Restricted for balance purposes (i feel this is more historical anyway). Would you be willing to reboot with RR? It will be annotated in my stats.

Avin

TripleA Turn Summary: Americans round 1

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Classic, version: 2.0

Game History

Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 6 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        1 infantry moved from Sinkiang to French Indo China
              Americans take French Indo China from Japanese

    Combat - Americans

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        2 infantry moved from West US to West Canada
        2 infantry moved from East US to East US Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from East US Sea Zone to North Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from North Sea Zone to Finland Norway
        1 fighter moved from Hawaii Sea Zone to China
        1 infantry moved from Sinkiang to China
        1 fighter moved from West US to United Kingdom
        1 bomber moved from East US to Russia
        1 fighter moved from East US to United Kingdom
        1 battleship and 1 transport moved from West US Sea Zone to West Panama Sea Zone
        1 carrier and 1 submarine moved from Hawaii Sea Zone to West Panama Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from East US to West Canada

    Place Units - Americans
        2 transports placed in East US Sea Zone
        2 infantry placed in East US
        4 infantry placed in West US

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 39 PUs; end with 41 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

Avin

Sure! I’ll start the new game now. Would you like to play with LowLuck dice this time or continue with normal dice, just with Russia Restricted then?

The_Good_Captain

@Avin

ill pass on the low luck for the moment but thank you for making me aware of it

Avin

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 1

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Classic, version: 2.0

Game History

Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat - Russians
        Trigger Russians Can Move: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared  for rulesAttachment attached to Russians
        Trigger Russians Can Move: Setting movementRestrictionType to disallowed for rulesAttachment attached to Russians

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        2 infantry moved from Soviet Far East to Yakut S.S.R.
        1 armour moved from Soviet Far East to Novosibirsk
        2 infantry moved from Evenki National Okrug to Yakut S.S.R.
        4 infantry moved from Russia to Karelia S.S.R.
        1 fighter moved from Russia to Karelia S.S.R.
        1 submarine and 1 transport moved from Karelia Sea Zone to North Sea Zone
        4 infantry moved from Caucasus to Karelia S.S.R.
        2 armour moved from Russia to Karelia S.S.R.
        1 aaGun moved from Russia to Caucasus

    Place Units - Russians
        8 infantry placed in Karelia S.S.R.

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 24 PUs; end with 24 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

Avin

@AcesWild5049 Sure no problem. Some people really dislike the idea because they feel like Axis and Allies is made for random lucky swings and it removes part of the game without it. I disagree, particularly because of the interesting effect that when you do use LowLuck, you can engage in what would otherwise be riskier battles, but the potential swings within those are still present and do make more of a difference because of the ability to calculate things more certainly.

I’ve also heard the dismissal “If I wanted to decrease luck I would play chess!” That’s a silly argument because I happen to very much enjoy chess too!

But I’m happy to play either, regardless.

Classic 2nd edition, Avin (Allies) vs AcesWild (Axis), no bid

TripleA Move Summary: Germans round 1

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 1

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TripleA Turn Summary: British round 1

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 1

TripleA Turn Summary: Americans round 1

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 1

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