Classic 2nd edition, Avin (Allies) vs AcesWild (Axis), no bid

Avin

@AcesWild5049 It does somewhat but as you can see from the combat differential summary, you still fared a lot better in that battle in Southern Europe than you could have expected, and the Russian -7.17 overall score was still atrocious. Even if both your fighters had survived just now, I also would have still been able to take Germany easily with the UK right now, but had my attack against SIN succeeded, Russia would have no threat against it for a while. Now though, Russia is going to have to withdraw heavily. In fact, if you don’t mind, could I have non-combatted the two Russian fighters back to Moscow, as I have no chance to keep Karelia? I’ll leave it to you to do that or not during Japan’s turn and meanwhile I’ll take UK now without making a change either way.

I definitely still am ahead but the luck favoring you has kept you much more viable!

Avin

FYI I’ll be taking the Japanese bomber as casualty first since that gives you the best return fire and unless I only roll 6s all battle even the luck I’ve been having this past round shouldn’t prevent me from winning this battle.

Avin

TripleA Turn Summary: British round 10

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Classic, version: 2.0

Game History

Round: 10

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 1 armour and 10 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        6 transports moved from Baltic Sea Zone to North Sea Zone
        8 infantry moved from United Kingdom to North Sea Zone
        8 infantry and 6 transports moved from North Sea Zone to Baltic Sea Zone
        8 infantry moved from Baltic Sea Zone to Germany
        1 infantry moved from West Europe to Germany
        3 armour moved from West Europe to Germany
        2 fighters moved from Baltic Sea Zone to Germany
        1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Germany
        1 bomber moved from Russia to Germany

    Combat - British
        Battle in Germany
            British attack with 3 armour, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 9 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 factory, 1 fighter and 3 infantry; Japanese defend with 1 bomber
                AA fire in Germany : 0/4 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 battleship in Germany, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                British roll dice for 3 armour, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 9 infantry in Germany, round 2 : 2/16 hits, 5.17 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Germany, round 2 : 1/6 hits, 2.17 expected hits
                1 bomber owned by the Japanese, 2 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Germany
                British roll dice for 3 armour, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 8 infantry in Germany, round 3 : 8/15 hits, 5.00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Germany, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans, 1 fighter owned by the Germans, 1 armour owned by the Germans and 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Germany
            British captures 16PUs while taking Germans capital
            British win, taking Germany from Germans with 3 armour, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 6 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 32
            Casualties for British: 3 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 bomber
            Casualties for Germans: 1 armour, 1 fighter and 3 infantry

    Non Combat Move - British
        1 fighter moved from Germany to Baltic Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Germany to Russia
        1 bomber moved from Germany to Russia

    Place Units - British
        1 armour and 10 infantry placed in United Kingdom

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 37 PUs; end with 53 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans : -0.50
British : 0.17
AA fire in Germany : : -0.67

Savegame

The_Good_Captain

@Avin said in Classic 2nd edition, Avin (Allies) vs AcesWild (Axis), no bid:

@AcesWild5049 It does somewhat but as you can see from the combat differential summary, you still fared a lot better in that battle in Southern Europe than you could have expected, and the Russian -7.17 overall score was still atrocious. Even if both your fighters had survived just now, I also would have still been able to take Germany easily with the UK right now, but had my attack against SIN succeeded, Russia would have no threat against it for a while. Now though, Russia is going to have to withdraw heavily. In fact, if you don’t mind, could I have non-combatted the two Russian fighters back to Moscow, as I have no chance to keep Karelia? I’ll leave it to you to do that or not during Japan’s turn and meanwhile I’ll take UK now without making a change either way.

I definitely still am ahead but the luck favoring you has kept you much more viable!

agree on all.

The_Good_Captain

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 10

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Classic, version: 2.0

Game History

Round: 10

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 1 bomber and 12 infantry; Remaining resources: 6 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        6 infantry moved from Manchuria to Yakut S.S.R.
        3 armour moved from Manchuria to Novosibirsk
        3 infantry moved from Mongolia to Novosibirsk
        3 armour moved from French Indo China to Novosibirsk
        1 infantry moved from Syria Jordan to Persia
        1 infantry moved from Sinkiang to Kazakh S.S.R.
        5 armour and 5 infantry moved from Sinkiang to Novosibirsk
        1 fighter moved from Manchuria to Novosibirsk
        1 fighter moved from India to Novosibirsk
        1 fighter moved from India to Kazakh S.S.R.
        1 fighter moved from Anglo Sudan Egypt to Kazakh S.S.R.
        2 fighters moved from Anglo Sudan Egypt to Persia
        2 armour moved from Anglo Sudan Egypt to Red Sea Zone
        4 infantry moved from Anglo Sudan Egypt to Red Sea Zone
        2 armour, 4 infantry and 4 transports moved from Red Sea Zone to Black Sea Zone
        2 battleships moved from Red Sea Zone to Black Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from Red Sea Zone to Black Sea Zone
        4 infantry moved from Black Sea Zone to Caucasus
        2 armour moved from Black Sea Zone to Caucasus

    Combat - Japanese
        Battle in Caucasus
            Japanese attack with 2 armour and 4 infantry
            Americans defend with 1 aaGun; Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships in Caucasus, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Caucasus, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Caucasus
            Japanese win, taking Caucasus from Russians with 2 armour and 4 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Kazakh S.S.R.
            Japanese attack with 2 fighters and 1 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Kazakh S.S.R., round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Kazakh S.S.R., round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Kazakh S.S.R.
            Japanese win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Yakut S.S.R.
            Japanese attack with 6 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 6 infantry in Yakut S.S.R., round 2 : 2/6 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Yakut S.S.R., round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Yakut S.S.R.
            Japanese win, taking Yakut S.S.R. from Russians with 5 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Persia
            Japanese attack with 2 fighters and 1 infantry
            Americans defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Persia, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 infantry in Persia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Persia
            Japanese win, taking Persia from British with 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
        Battle in Novosibirsk
            Japanese attack with 11 armour, 2 fighters and 8 infantry
            Americans defend with 1 fighter; Russians defend with 1 aaGun, 5 armour, 2 fighters and 7 infantry
                AA fire in Novosibirsk : 1/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 fighter owned by the Japanese lost in Novosibirsk
                Japanese roll dice for 11 armour, 1 fighter and 8 infantry in Novosibirsk, round 2 : 9/20 hits, 7.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 5 armour, 3 fighters and 7 infantry in Novosibirsk, round 2 : 8/15 hits, 6.00 expected hits
                8 infantry owned by the Japanese, 7 infantry owned by the Russians and 2 armour owned by the Russians lost in Novosibirsk
                Japanese roll dice for 11 armour and 1 fighter in Novosibirsk, round 3 : 8/12 hits, 6.00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 3 armour and 3 fighters in Novosibirsk, round 3 : 4/6 hits, 3.00 expected hits
                2 fighters owned by the Russians, 3 armour owned by the Russians, 4 armour owned by the Japanese and 1 fighter owned by the Americans lost in Novosibirsk
            Japanese win, taking Novosibirsk from Russians with 7 armour and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 26
            Casualties for Japanese: 4 armour, 1 fighter and 8 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 5 armour, 2 fighters and 7 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 1 fighter

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        2 fighters moved from Persia to Black Sea Zone
        1 aaGun moved from Sinkiang to French Indo China
        1 infantry moved from Anglo Sudan Egypt to Syria Jordan
        6 infantry moved from Japan to Japan Sea Zone
        6 infantry moved from Japan Sea Zone to Manchuria
        2 fighters moved from Kazakh S.S.R. to Sinkiang
        1 fighter moved from Novosibirsk to Sinkiang

    Place Units - Japanese
        3 infantry placed in Manchuria
        3 infantry placed in French Indo China
        1 bomber and 6 infantry placed in Japan

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Japanese collect 54 PUs; end with 60 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

British : -0.33
AA fire in Novosibirsk : : 0.67
Russians : 4.00
Japanese : 4.00

Savegame

Avin

TripleA Turn Summary: Americans round 10

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Classic, version: 2.0

Game History

Round: 10

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 1 armour, 1 bomber and 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        1 infantry moved from Congo to Kenya-Rhodesia
              British take Kenya-Rhodesia from Japanese
        2 armour and 15 infantry moved from French Equatorial Africa to Anglo Sudan Egypt
              British take Anglo Sudan Egypt from Japanese
        1 armour moved from Anglo Sudan Egypt to Italian East Africa
              British take Italian East Africa from Japanese

    Combat - Americans

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        2 infantry moved from West Europe to Germany
        1 fighter moved from West Europe to Russia
        1 infantry moved from West Europe to Germany
        1 infantry moved from West Europe to Germany
        5 transports moved from West Spain Sea Zone to East Canada Sea Zone
        2 armour moved from Algeria to Anglo Sudan Egypt
        1 infantry moved from Algeria to French Equatorial Africa
        2 armour and 6 infantry moved from West Canada to East Canada Sea Zone
        1 aaGun, 2 armour and 8 infantry moved from West US to West Canada
        2 armour, 6 infantry and 5 transports moved from East Canada Sea Zone to West Spain Sea Zone
        2 armour and 6 infantry moved from West Spain Sea Zone to Algeria
        1 fighter moved from East US to Finland Norway

    Place Units - Americans
        1 bomber placed in East US
        1 armour and 5 infantry placed in West US

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 36 PUs; end with 37 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

Avin

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 11

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Classic, version: 2.0

Game History

Round: 11

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        3 armour and 4 infantry moved from Russia to Novosibirsk

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in Novosibirsk
            Russians attack with 3 armour and 4 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 aaGun and 7 armour
                Russians roll dice for 3 armour and 4 infantry in Novosibirsk, round 2 : 3/7 hits, 2.17 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 7 armour in Novosibirsk, round 2 : 2/7 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Russians and 3 armour owned by the Japanese lost in Novosibirsk
                Russians roll dice for 3 armour and 2 infantry in Novosibirsk, round 3 : 2/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 4 armour in Novosibirsk, round 3 : 3/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Russians, 1 armour owned by the Russians and 2 armour owned by the Japanese lost in Novosibirsk
            2 armour owned by the Russians retreated to Russia
            Japanese win with 2 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Russians: 1 armour and 4 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 5 armour

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        1 aaGun moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Russia

    Place Units - Russians
        7 infantry placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 15 PUs; end with 16 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Russians : 1.00
Japanese : 1.33

Savegame

The_Good_Captain

TripleA Move Summary: Germans round 11

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Classic, version: 2.0

Game History

Round: 11

    Combat Move - Germans

Savegame

Avin

TripleA Turn Summary: British round 11

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Classic, version: 2.0

Game History

Round: 11

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 1 armour, 1 fighter and 10 infantry; Remaining resources: 6 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        2 armour and 6 infantry moved from Germany to South Europe
        1 armour moved from Germany to South Europe

    Combat - British
        Battle in South Europe
            British attack with 3 armour and 6 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 aaGun, 6 armour and 1 factory
                British roll dice for 3 armour and 6 infantry in South Europe, round 2 : 3/9 hits, 2.50 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 6 armour in South Europe, round 2 : 1/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                3 armour owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in South Europe
                British roll dice for 3 armour and 5 infantry in South Europe, round 3 : 1/8 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 3 armour in South Europe, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 armour owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in South Europe
                British roll dice for 3 armour and 4 infantry in South Europe, round 4 : 2/7 hits, 2.17 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 armour in South Europe, round 4 : 2/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                2 armour owned by the Germans and 2 infantry owned by the British lost in South Europe
            British win, taking South Europe from Germans with 3 armour and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 18
            Casualties for British: 4 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 6 armour

    Non Combat Move - British
        1 infantry moved from East Europe to Karelia S.S.R.
        1 battleship moved from Baltic Sea Zone to West Spain Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from Baltic Sea Zone to West Spain Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Baltic Sea Zone to Russia
        6 transports moved from Baltic Sea Zone to North Sea Zone
        1 armour and 10 infantry moved from United Kingdom to North Sea Zone
        1 armour, 10 infantry and 6 transports moved from North Sea Zone to Karelia Sea Zone
        1 armour and 10 infantry moved from Karelia Sea Zone to Karelia S.S.R.

    Place Units - British
        10 infantry placed in United Kingdom
        1 armour and 1 fighter placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 46 PUs; end with 52 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans : 0.33
British : -1.00

Savegame

Avin

If you attack Moscow with everything you have, please ask about casualties as you roll them as I may or may not want to lose bombers early on.

The_Good_Captain

@Avin said in Classic 2nd edition, Avin (Allies) vs AcesWild (Axis), no bid:

If you attack Moscow with everything you have, please ask about casualties as you roll them as I may or may not want to lose bombers early on.

first round of combat, you’ve taken five hits total

im attacking with everything in range, your aa did not shoot any down

Avin

@AcesWild5049 okay, take hits on all the bombers please.

Avin

For the remaining troops, kill Russian infantry, then Russian tanks, then US fighter, then UK fighters last.

The_Good_Captain

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 11

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Classic, version: 2.0

Game History

Round: 11

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 2 armour, 1 fighter and 10 infantry; Remaining resources: 8 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        1 infantry moved from Persia to Kazakh S.S.R.
              Japanese take Kazakh S.S.R. from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Evenki National Okrug
              Japanese take Evenki National Okrug from Russians
        2 armour moved from Novosibirsk to Russia
        2 armour moved from Caucasus to Russia
        4 infantry moved from Caucasus to Russia
        2 fighters moved from Black Sea Zone to Russia
        3 fighters moved from Sinkiang to Russia
        1 bomber moved from Japan to Russia

    Combat - Japanese
        Battle in Russia
            Japanese attack with 4 armour, 1 bomber, 5 fighters and 4 infantry
            British defend with 1 bomber and 3 fighters; Americans defend with 2 bombers and 1 fighter; Russians defend with 1 aaGun, 2 armour, 1 factory and 7 infantry
                AA fire in Russia : 0/6 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 4 armour, 1 bomber, 5 fighters and 4 infantry in Russia, round 2 : 5/14 hits, 5.83 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 armour, 3 bombers, 4 fighters and 7 infantry in Russia, round 2 : 7/16 hits, 6.17 expected hits
                4 infantry owned by the Japanese, 2 infantry owned by the Russians, 3 armour owned by the Japanese, 1 bomber owned by the British and 2 bombers owned by the Americans lost in Russia
                Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 1 bomber and 5 fighters in Russia, round 3 : 4/7 hits, 3.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 armour, 4 fighters and 5 infantry in Russia, round 3 : 5/11 hits, 5.00 expected hits
                5 fighters owned by the Japanese and 4 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Russia
                Japanese roll dice for 1 armour and 1 bomber in Russia, round 4 : 2/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 armour, 4 fighters and 1 infantry in Russia, round 4 : 4/7 hits, 3.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians, 1 armour owned by the Russians, 1 bomber owned by the Japanese and 1 armour owned by the Japanese lost in Russia
            Russians win with 1 armour and 4 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -36
            Casualties for Japanese: 4 armour, 1 bomber, 5 fighters and 4 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 2 bombers
            Casualties for British: 1 bomber
            Casualties for Russians: 1 armour and 7 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        4 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Novosibirsk
        9 infantry moved from Manchuria to Mongolia
        6 infantry moved from Japan to Japan Sea Zone
        6 infantry moved from Japan Sea Zone to Manchuria
        3 infantry moved from French Indo China to Sinkiang
        4 transports moved from Black Sea Zone to West Mediteranean Sea Zone
        2 battleships moved from Black Sea Zone to West Mediteranean Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from Black Sea Zone to West Mediteranean Sea Zone
        1 aaGun moved from Caucasus to Persia

    Place Units - Japanese
        1 armour and 2 infantry placed in Manchuria
        1 armour and 2 infantry placed in French Indo China
        1 fighter and 6 infantry placed in Japan

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Japanese collect 54 PUs; end with 62 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

AA fire in Russia : : -1.00
Russians : 1.17
Japanese : 0.33

Savegame

The_Good_Captain

@AcesWild5049
ill concede here, gg.

id like to give it one more if youre still down, with RR.

Avin

Good game!

And sure. I’m going to bed now but feel free to just take the savegame from the beginning of this one with my first Russia turn as I would do the same thing again and with no dice on RR it will have the same outcome.

The_Good_Captain

@Avin said in Classic 2nd edition, Avin (Allies) vs AcesWild (Axis), no bid:

Good game!

And sure. I’m going to bed now but feel free to just take the savegame from the beginning of this one with my first Russia turn as I would do the same thing again and with no dice on RR it will have the same outcome.

sounds good just not sure how to post under a new thread once ive completed G1

Avin

Okay, I created a new thread here:

https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/33336

We can use this one for post game discussion on this one.

In particular I was curious about your strategy regarding Southern Europe on the second half of this game. By getting rid of your AA gun I was able to bleed Germany a lot more quickly than I would have been otherwise able to, since I could bomb it freely, then take it eventually, then you would take it back. Trades were almost never in your favor since I tried to usually use Russian troops to attack, and I was intending all along to use British troops for the final invasion.

The_Good_Captain

This is what was going on in my brain in regards to that:

I think I’ll die a lot faster or even lose the option to counterattack if I’m forced to fly through that AA gun every turn on the counterattacks. I need these fighters to reliably attack S Europe and return to Germany for defense bc any land forces I use will be stuck there with no option to return. I need to ensure I can have this counterattack option turn after turn or he could potentially move in enough troops to force me to dump everything in there to take it leaving Germany too weak to repel an attack or poof, he has an industry right next door to Germany. This happens in almost every game I play in which the Axis player loses. Either in S Europe or W Europe where the allies just build an industry. Japan needs as many turn as I can give it to make its way to Russia/Middle East, Africa. shrug hope he rolls low on strat bombing…

**I also wasn’t sure of the “order of operations” in regards to the strategic bombings, i.e. I’m slightly embarrassed to say that I learned in a trial by fire manner that you can strat bomb an industry before seizing the territory with ground troops. Oh well, even if I was sure, it wouldn’t have changed anything on my end. If you find a clarifying sentence/rule about that in the 2nd Edition RB or supplement, do let me know

The_Good_Captain

gimmie a day or two to catch up on recording the dice from the last couple turns and I’ll do Germany’s turn.

appreciate ya playing these with me.

Classic 2nd edition, Avin (Allies) vs AcesWild (Axis), no bid

TripleA Turn Summary: British round 10

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 10

TripleA Turn Summary: Americans round 10

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 11

TripleA Move Summary: Germans round 11

TripleA Turn Summary: British round 11

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 11

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