[House Rules] The Cruiser

@morvill said in Submarine & Fighter attack, Fighter DD defense - Retreat Rules:

To me, it seems like because the 2 defending fighters have a valid target, that being the 1 attacking fighter, this condition is not met. And it does not specify “All units of a particular type”, so we can’t say the destroyer was “all units” in any sense. I don’t think I’ll see any disagreement on that. Thus, another round of combat will ensue unless the attacker chooses to retreat. The submarines cannot submerge at any other point than step 2 of the General Combat Sequence, thus for the subs to remain in the sea zone, another round of combat must persist, otherwise they must retreat “with” (the fighters remain the sea zone as part of their retreat) the fighter. Yet, if the attacker chooses to press, the subs do not have any valid targets for the next round of combat. Again, they could choose to submerge, but you could also surprise strike at “no units”, which to my knowledge is neither allowed nor disallowed by the rules, at least in this context.

Correct. It doesn’t matter whether or not all units on both sides have a valid target, only that at least one on each side does. If the attacker decides to press, all units will remain in the sea zone, even those that don’t have a valid target (the subs). If the attacker decides to retreat, all attacking units must retreat. As you say, the subs can submerge in the next combat round, but the only reason for them to do so would be so that they can remain in the sea zone if the attacker decides to retreat at the end of that round, as they are effectively out of the fight anyway.

Not sure if this is relevant, but per the rules:

Sea zones are either friendly or hostile. Friendly sea zones contain no surface warships (this doesn’t include submarines and transports) belonging to a power with which you are at war. Hostile sea zones contain surface warships belonging to a power with which you are at war. (The presence of a surface warship
belonging to a power on the other side with which you are not yet at war doesn’t make
a sea zone hostile.) pg. 8

The friendly/hostile state of the sea zone has no bearing on combat. That is relevant only to movement.

I am playing a casual game of BM3 (3.0) with Canada being a separate faction instead of under British’s domain. I noticed in the game that China does not spawn guerrillas in Japan’s territories not garrisoned by a land unit. The notes differ as to also in that China gets another +3 for their Objective. Is this a compensation or a bug rather?

here is some statistic on what people bid in bm306-03.PNG

@panther thanks, I´ll try it

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 15

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 15 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese repair damage of 6x factory_minor; Remaining resources: 44 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Japanese buy 3 destroyers and 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 3 bombers moved from French Indo China to Java 1 fighter moved from 38 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 38 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Malaya to 37 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java 1 infantry moved from Shan State to Burma 1 mech_infantry moved from Szechwan to Burma 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 38 Sea Zone to Burma 1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to Burma 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to Burma 1 bomber moved from Japan to Jehol 1 infantry moved from Chahar to Jehol 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Jehol Combat - Japanese Battle in 42 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 transport ANZAC defend with 1 transport 1 transport owned by the ANZAC lost in 42 Sea Zone Japanese win with 1 fighter and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport Battle in Java Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 3 bombers and 1 infantry ANZAC defend with 2 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 3 bombers and 1 infantry in Java, round 2 : 4/5 hits, 2.67 expected hits ANZAC roll dice for 2 infantry in Java, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the ANZAC lost in Java Japanese win, taking Java from ANZAC with 1 artillery, 3 bombers and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for ANZAC: 2 infantry Battle in Jehol Japanese attack with 1 bomber and 2 infantry Chinese defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Jehol, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Jehol, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Jehol Japanese win, taking Jehol from Chinese with 1 bomber and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Battle in Burma Japanese attack with 3 fighters, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 3 tactical_bombers British defend with 2 infantry Japanese roll dice for 3 fighters, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 3 tactical_bombers in Burma, round 2 : 4/8 hits, 3.83 expected hits UK_Pacific roll dice for 2 infantry in Burma, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese, 1 mech_infantry owned by the Japanese and 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Burma Japanese win with 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry Casualties for British: 2 infantry Non Combat Move - Japanese 3 bombers moved from Java to Malaya 1 aaGun moved from Shan State to Malaya 1 artillery moved from Shan State to Malaya 3 fighters moved from Burma to Malaya 2 battleships, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers and 2 transports moved from 38 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 42 Sea Zone to Malaya 1 fighter moved from 36 Sea Zone to French Indo China 3 tactical_bombers moved from Burma to 36 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Jehol to Japan 2 tactical_bombers moved from 36 Sea Zone to Japan 1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to Japan 2 fighters moved from Japan to French Indo China 1 fighter moved from French Indo China to Malaya 1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to Japan 1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to Japan 1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to Japan 2 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe 1 artillery moved from Yunnan to French Indo China 1 infantry moved from Hopei to Chahar 1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan 2 tactical_bombers moved from 36 Sea Zone to French Indo China 1 armour moved from Kwangsi to French Indo China 1 armour moved from Szechwan to French Indo China 2 mech_infantrys moved from Kwangsi to French Indo China 1 artillery moved from Kwangsi to French Indo China 1 infantry moved from Hunan to Kwangsi 1 mech_infantry moved from Szechwan to Kweichow 1 infantry moved from Kweichow to Szechwan 1 infantry moved from Hunan to Kwangsi 1 mech_infantry moved from Kweichow to Hunan 1 mech_infantry moved from Hopei to Hunan 1 aaGun moved from Anhwe to Hunan Place Units - Japanese 3 destroyers placed in 36 Sea Zone 3 infantry placed in Malaya 3 infantry placed in Kiangsu Turn Complete - Japanese Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 20 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,6 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 19 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,5 Japanese collect 57 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 59 PUs Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 64 PUs Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from French Indo China: 2 tactical_bombers EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 36 Sea Zone: 2 tactical_bombers EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Siberia: 4 bombers EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Caroline Islands: 4 bombers EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

ANZAC : -0.67 Chinese : -0.33 UK_Pacific : 1.33 Japanese : 1.50

Savegame

@simon33

well the ultimate reality is that AD out played me and I can’t take it!!

haahahahahah

@seancb said in [House Rules] Should allies receive a bid?:

one more thing, I’ll take a 16 bid

We actually have 1 game completed (if you concede it). Looking forward to another…waiting in the lobby right now.

@hewhoisnickel:

Jesus, you two bicker like a married couple, and in every thread on the forums, it seems.

:lol: