G40 Historial v1.1

Thanks for the information, we decided Siam will be Pro-Axis. And if you play with events per turn, Japan can activate it until round 4. For now, wen playing with turn-based events, Mexico, Central America, Ecuador, Colombia, Brazil, Siam, they are considered true neutrals until they enter the war; however, we want to implement the same restrictions for the other neutrals.
For example, the countries of “Latin America”, except Argentina and Chile, signed a mutual defense treaty, supported by the USA.
On the other hand, the Original rule with respect to true neutrals is unreal. What does it matter to Switzerland if Afghanistan was attacked by the UK or Japan? Why do all the neutrals turn to one side, when one of them is attacked? This is something that we want to modify.
But for now here is the placement of the neutrals:

Pro-Axis
Siam: 2 Infantry.
Persia: 1 Infantry, Northwest Persia: 1 Infantry, Eastern Persia: 1 Infantry
Iraq: 3 Infantry.
Romania: 4 Infantry
Bulgaria: 4 Infantry
Finland: 4 Infantry.

Pro-Allies:
Mexico: 1 Infantry, Southeast Mexico: 1 Infantry
Central América: 1 Infantry, Canal Counter.
Brasil: 3 Infantry
Colombia: 1 Infantry
Eire: 1 Infantry
Ecuador: 1 Infantry
Liberia: 1 Infantry
Sierra Leona: 1 Infantry
Yugoslavia: 5 Infantry
Greece: 4 Infantry

Special Neutral
State of Spain
Spain: 6 Infantry, Rio de Oro: 1, Infantry Balears: Empty.
People’s Republic of Mongolia
Ulaanbaatar: 1 Infantry, Buyant-Uhaa: 2 Infantry, Dzavhan: 1 Infantry, Olgiy: 1 Infantry, Tsagaan-Olom: Empty, Central Mongolia: Empty.

True Neutral
Venezuela: 2 Infantry
Peru: 1 Infantry
Bolivia: 1 Infantry
Paraguay: 1 Infantry
Chile: 2 Infantry
Argentina: 4 Infantry
Sweden: 6 Infantry
Switzerland: 2 Infantry
Portugal: 2 Infantry, Portuguese Guinea: 1 Infantry, Angola: 2 Infantry Mozambique: 2 Infantry.
Turky: 8 Infantry.
Saudi Arabia: 2 Infantry
Afghanistan: 4 Infantry

@SS-GEN Yes, I knew about the help of Mongolia in custody the border, but no the products,very interesting. I also think that it should be worth 1 IPC, Central Mongolia or Ulaanbaatar.

There are errors that I do not understand how they happened to the editors of the game. Colombia, Peru, Dutch, New, Guinea, should be worth at least 2 IPC, for oil. Persia was to be pro-axis, or strict neutral, strict neutral Ireland, Mexico and central America as pro-allied… and no love for Corseca, no Sakhalin island. They are uncomfortable details that could be corrected with a little research, and this is the reason we created the house rules.

Unfortunately I do not have the editing skills to create, Sakhalin, Malvinas and Cocos, islands. And an over map, to divide Yugoslavia, like the Historical Board Gamin one. There are many great ideas from them and from other players, like yours, the idea is to create a balance between history and acceptable complexity.

That’s why we do not copy ideas like rail lines, which break the difference in the movements of the pieces, move factories, construction cycles for large units. We are clear on one thing, the scale, that is why ideas such as hospitals, pow camps, are very interesting, but they are for a small scale tactical game and not for large scale strategy one.

One reason why we eliminate AAA from the facilities at start, is because they almost do not sufer attack in our games, now you have to buy the aaa (cardboard counter), and now we see more attacks in our games.

PD: I am intrigued by your system to influence neutrals ¿how does the mechanics work?

@barnee said in G40 Historial Beta:

@Valladares

Here’s some peoples thoughts on neutrals if you’re interested.

https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/28180/should-we-make-better-rules-for-invadable-neutrals-1940

I haven’t tried it myself but plan to at some point. I like how some of the more powerful nations are represented with units besides just infantry. Not saying you should implement it whole scale necessarily, just that you might get some ideas from it : )

Thank you very much for the information, i check the post, there are many interesting ideas that we adopt.

Increase the army of neutrals and the value of some territories.

We added a new territory, the last one for the mod, the Sweden’s island of Gotland, IPC 0.
We add sea zone 128, Caspian Sea.

@SS-GEN said in G40 Historial Beta:

What Barney posted I have done to neutrals too as far as adding armies but not as much inf. Yes Spain and Turkey in my game have 11 inf each with a fig tank aa gun AB. Destroyer.
In my game for strict neutral influence is where each country can only influence certain neutrals based on where they were at And which countries were trying to get to join them.
So to influence Spain or Turkey cost you 10 icps
And you roll a D20 die and on a 4 or less that strict neutral joins your side. If you get either one your inf are cut in half and you only get 6 plus the rest.
To influence the other stricts it costa you 3 icps and roll same d20 die 4 or less then receive what ever army is there and yes you get the territories value added to your income.
If you really want to get historic then some neutrals just join sides at time of war. A lot didn’t flip until 44. My way is to spice game up a bit every game and has a 30 to 40% games being different with all the other stuff added.
Ya maybe I’ll tweak the neutrals more closer to 100% historic but I don’t see that happening soon.
Testing new Cruiser BB AD values by using 2 different colored dice for each ship.

Interesting idea to adapt to a dice 6. In our modification we only add countries until 1943, historically. In normal mode the aligned neutrals can be activated from the first turn by powers that are legally at war. Since many countries joined the allies at the end of 44 or 45, because they were the winning team, and wanted to get a benefit of post war. In a game where the axis is winning in turn 10, ¿why Argentina or Turkey, would join the allies? Has no sense.

I have adopted your idea of Mongolia, we have decided to give a value of 1 IPC to the capital.

Here I leave you an information that you can use for sea routes and combois.

@SS-GEN No, i dont have. But i know Malay is rubber, Central America rubber and food, USA and UCRANIE food (cereals).
Total population at the start of WW2:
USSR: 168,524,000 USA: 131,028,000 China: 517,568,000 UK: 47,760,000 Germany: 69,850,000 (84 million including Austria + Volksdeutsche) Italy: 44,394,000 Japan: 71,380,00 France: 41,700,000 (Cited from: http://www.militarian.com/threads/population-and-resource-factors-in-wwii.9279/)
These tables can help (Partialized source) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_production_during_World_War_II
(“Neutral” source)https://ww2-weapons.com/german-arms-production/

The testing of the new aggregates will be delayed, because this week my friends can meet me, however, the Caspian Sea (zone 128) and Sweden Island of Gotland, do not require further testing. The new modern heavy tank unit will be formaly added.

Beyond the crude oil, personally, think adding more resources would complicate the game more, you can adjust the value of the IPC, which is supposed to represent industrial capacity or production or resources. Personally, I do not share some of the decisions of the creator in terms of initial values, each country should be worth 1 IPC at last, all to a greater or lesser extent had their resources, regardless of their industrial development or infrastructure.

One of the elements that makes Axis and Allies less realistic is the lack of the fog of war, but the creator of the game is developing an interesting mechanic in his new title “WarRoom”, once the game goes on sale, and have its time of use by the community, it would be interesting to adapt that concept in Axis and Allies.

@JustLuthor Hello.
In theory, the Republic of Ireland was neutral… as neutral as the Franco’s Spain. Ireland sent down axis pilots to the Breton authorities, issued reports on activity of u-boats and climatological reports, assisted aerodromes, and allowed several volunteers to serve in the English army.

The decision to keep Ireland as pro-allies is for balance purposes, as it has an activable army and a production value of one. We transformed Persia (Iran) in pro axis, and increased its army in 3, and its production in 3, we know that in real life was “neural”, friendly to hitler, and was invaded by the USSR and UK. We have 2 national objectives, one from Russia and the vanilla from the axis, so for historical reasons and for balance it becomes pro-axis.

Ecuador received military aid from the USA and allowed the construction of aerodromes, as far as we know, I declare the war on the axis before Peru, in 1943.

We could transform several countries in neutral strictures, but until we create a rule or mechanics more playable, than the infamous rule introduced in Alpha 3 by Mr. Larry for strict neutrals, we will leave things that way.

However, all criticism or subjections are taken into account with apreciación, we will see what we can do in the future.

The maxims of our rules / modification are: 1. Balance and playability 2 Scale 3 Additions easy to create at home or cheap to buy 4 Historical realism. A different order would make the game playable or at least more unbalanced.

We are testing the recent modifications, and some small additions.

We find miniatures of oil derricks and oil rigs, they are in a board game, a monopoly copy, it is produced in Costa Rica (Petrodolares, costs $ 14) and in Brazil (Petropolis $ 35), being brazilian miniature’s the best quality.

This are the made in Costa Rica oil derricks.