19L axis-dominion (+4) vs KILL! (allies) bm3

@aequitas-et-veritas said in L21 BM SC (Allies+20) vs AetV (Axis) game 1:

@sovietishcat well done.

I think this game is yours. I am going to post your win.

@aequitas-et-veritas Thanks, GG

Thanks for the game, fellas!

@aequitas-et-veritas

Thanks for being a good sport and an interesting game.

sounds good. Things in europe are about to get ugly quick. so I think this one is done. Really good for me to see how it played out.

Im good with allies again. no bid is fine with me.

I’m reviewing all Vichy rules available out there, as I plan to make a unique mod, because I like historical realism and simplicity, with minimized luck of dice, and some “asymmetric balance”.

Some major points I’ve posted elsewhere in the forum:

The main issue for this expansion is how to develop French neutrality, while at the same time providing a bonus to Germany. Apparently ignored by most players, in real life (IRL), Germany economically exploited Vichy, which had to richly sustain 300,000 German troops stationed in Northern France. Therefore, in the game, it only makes total sense that Germany gets the 3 IPCs from Vichy Southern France.

Another related major issue is what to do with French colonies in terms of neutrality/occupation and IPC flows. I agree that the Vichy setup should reflect what happened IRL: North Africa, Syria, and Indochina go to Vichy, while other French colonies stay Free. However, it messes up Italy’s incursions into North Africa (as IRL, Hitler denied French colonies to Italy). I’m not sure yet as to the best approach to subjecting these colonies to invasion, occupation, and who gains IPCs (other than agreeing that Japan has easy access “rights” over Vichy Indochina), and also remote units…

Germany never fought Vichy. IRL, with Operation Torch, Germany simply occupied Vichy in 1942, with no resistance whatsoever. Vichy units were disbanded. That can be also the case in the game. Just remove Vichy units.

The uncertainty surrounding local pre-battles is quite interesting (will Vichy troops welcome or resist Allies in North Africa?..). However, I’d try to minimize dice randomness that is often used to decide some outcome. IRL, Vichy troops (just like Italians) surrendered as soon as seeing enemy superiority: thus, in the game, if Allies send more land + air units than defending Vichy units, then there should be no battle but quick surrender. Or, make it highly unlikely that a battle would ensue (for example, need to roll a 1).

I’m now working on my own house rules, for an expansion (HBG lingo) that is quite realistic, fun yet simple. If anyone is interested, let me know and I’ll be happy to share my rules when ready…

phd_angel@yahoo.com

Chicago, December 2020

@axis-dominion said in 19L axis-dominion vs majikforce (allies) bm3:

hey, I need to say gg. I’m not able to commit anymore, so I am committing A&A suicide. I appreciate the games we’ve played!

No problem. It has been a pleasure trying to crack the win column against you. You are a hell of a player and a gentlemen. I hope all goes well for you and if you ever find time to play again give me a shout. I’m always up for some mental gymnastics. Be well and take care.

PS: I will take not this as a win in the standings as it is life circumstance concede. Id rather have the kind of concede where I twist your arm until you scream uncle. Although I doubt that would ever happen.:relaxed:

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 20

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.3

Game History

Round: 20 Research Technology - Germans Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 2 carriers, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 7 infantry, 4 mech_infantrys and 2 tactical_bombers; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Kazakhstan to Russia 1 infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Volgograd Germans take Volgograd from Russians 1 infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Novosibirsk 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kazakhstan to Novosibirsk 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kazakhstan to Novosibirsk 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Tsinghai Germans take Tsinghai from Chinese 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Tsinghai to Shensi 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Shensi 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Tsinghai 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Tsinghai to Kansu 1 fighter moved from Kazakhstan to Kansu 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Kansu 1 mech_infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Turkey 1 mech_infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Turkey 1 artillery moved from Kazakhstan to Novosibirsk 2 fighters moved from Kazakhstan to Turkey 3 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Greece 1 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk Germans take Bryansk from Russians 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Smolensk to Russia 1 infantry moved from Smolensk to Vologda 1 artillery moved from Archangel to Vologda 1 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine 1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine 1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Ukraine 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Novosibirsk to Vologda 1 armour moved from Smolensk to Ukraine 2 infantry moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux 2 fighters moved from 112 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 112 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 3 fighters moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy 1 fighter moved from France to Northern Italy 2 fighters moved from France to 110 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Bulgaria to Greece 1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to 93 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Greece 1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy 1 fighter moved from Kazakhstan to Greece 1 fighter moved from Kazakhstan to Greece 1 fighter moved from Kazakhstan to Shensi 1 fighter moved from Kazakhstan to Turkey Combat - Germans Battle in 93 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 bomber Americans defend with 1 transport 1 transport owned by the Americans lost in 93 Sea Zone Germans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Americans: 1 transport Battle in Northern Italy Germans attack with 1 fighter and 3 infantry Americans defend with 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Northern Italy, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Northern Italy, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Northern Italy Germans win, taking Northern Italy from Americans with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry Battle in Greece Germans attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 3 infantry British defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry Germans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 3 infantry in Greece, round 2 : 2/7 hits, 2.67 expected hits British roll dice for 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Greece, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans and 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Greece Germans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Greece, round 3 : 3/6 hits, 2.50 expected hits British roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Greece, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 mech_infantry owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Greece Germans win, taking Greece from British with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry Casualties for British: 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry Battle in Turkey Germans attack with 3 fighters and 2 mech_infantrys British defend with 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 3 fighters and 2 mech_infantrys in Turkey, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits British roll dice for 1 infantry in Turkey, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Turkey Germans win, taking Turkey from British with 3 fighters and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Battle in Normandy Bordeaux Germans attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Americans defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Normandy Bordeaux Germans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from Americans with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry Battle in Kansu Germans attack with 2 armour, 1 fighter and 2 mech_infantrys Russians defend with 2 infantry Germans roll dice for 2 armour, 1 fighter and 2 mech_infantrys in Kansu, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Kansu, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Kansu Germans win, taking Kansu from Chinese with 2 armour, 1 fighter and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry Battle in Ukraine Germans attack with 1 armour, 1 bomber and 2 infantry Russians defend with 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Ukraine, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine Germans win, taking Ukraine from Russians with 1 armour, 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Novosibirsk Germans attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Russians defend with 1 mech_infantry Germans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Novosibirsk, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Novosibirsk, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Novosibirsk, round 3 : 2/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Novosibirsk, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 mech_infantry owned by the Russians lost in Novosibirsk Germans win, taking Novosibirsk from Russians with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for Russians: 1 mech_infantry Battle in 110 Sea Zone Germans attack with 7 fighters and 1 submarine British defend with 1 destroyer Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the British and 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 110 Sea Zone Germans win with 7 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2 Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Casualties for British: 1 destroyer Battle in Russia Germans attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers Russians defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry Germans roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Russia, round 2 : 4/8 hits, 3.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Russia, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 1 mech_infantry owned by the Russians and 2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Russia Germans destroys 27PUs while taking Russians capital Germans win, taking Russia from Russians with 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 10 Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry Battle in Vologda Germans attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Vologda, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Vologda, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Vologda Germans win, taking Vologda from Russians with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Shensi Germans attack with 2 armour, 1 fighter and 2 mech_infantrys Chinese defend with 2 infantry Germans roll dice for 2 armour, 1 fighter and 2 mech_infantrys in Shensi, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Shensi, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Shensi Germans win, taking Shensi from Chinese with 2 armour, 1 fighter and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry Non Combat Move - Germans 1 artillery moved from Kazakhstan to Tsinghai 2 aaGuns, 2 armour and 13 artilleries moved from Kazakhstan to Caucasus 1 fighter moved from Shensi to Yunnan 3 mech_infantrys moved from West India to Persia 3 mech_infantrys moved from Persia to Caucasus 1 fighter moved from Kansu to Szechwan 2 artilleries moved from Archangel to Smolensk 2 infantry moved from Belarus to Smolensk 1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Archangel 1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus 1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Archangel 2 infantry moved from Romania to Bulgaria 3 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Bulgaria 2 infantry moved from Germany to Greater Southern Germany 1 mech_infantry moved from Germany to Romania 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Western Germany 2 fighters moved from 110 Sea Zone to Western Germany 1 fighter moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 3 fighters moved from 110 Sea Zone to Western Germany 2 fighters moved from Turkey to Persia 1 fighter moved from Turkey to Caucasus 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Novosibirsk to Caucasus 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Vologda to Smolensk 2 fighters moved from Russia to Smolensk 2 tactical_bombers moved from Russia to Smolensk 1 bomber moved from Ukraine to Caucasus 5 infantry moved from Western Germany to France 2 transports moved from 112 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 4 infantry moved from Sweden to 113 Sea Zone 4 infantry and 2 transports moved from 113 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 4 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Western Germany 2 transports moved from 80 Sea Zone to 71 Sea Zone 3 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Mozambique 1 infantry moved from Rhodesia to Tanganyika Territory 1 armour moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt 1 bomber moved from 93 Sea Zone to Southern Italy 1 fighter moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy 1 bomber moved from Greece to Western Germany 2 fighters moved from Greece to Bulgaria Place Units - Germans 2 carriers and 1 destroyer placed in 112 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers placed in 112 Sea Zone 3 infantry placed in Union of South Africa 3 mech_infantrys placed in West India 3 infantry placed in Novgorod 1 infantry placed in Western Germany 1 mech_infantry placed in Germany Germans undo move 7. 1 mech_infantry placed in Western Germany Germans undo move 2. 2 tactical_bombers placed in Western Germany 2 fighters placed in 112 Sea Zone Turn Complete - Germans Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 4 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,1,3,1,5,2 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 105 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,1 Germans collect 73 PUs (4 lost to blockades); end with 73 PUs Trigger Germans 4 Presence In Egypt: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 78 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 83 PUs Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 88 PUs Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 15 PUs; end with 103 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans : -0.83 British : 1.00 Americans : 0.33 Chinese : -1.33 Russians : -0.33

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TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 10

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.3

Game History

Round: 10 Research Technology - Germans Purchase Units - Germans Germans repair damage of 6x factory_minor; Remaining resources: 75 PUs; Germans buy 1 airfield, 3 armour, 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 mech_infantry moved from Nenetsia to Smolensk 1 armour, 5 artilleries, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Archangel to Smolensk 2 infantry moved from Belarus to Smolensk 1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Novgorod to Smolensk 4 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Smolensk 1 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk 7 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bryansk 2 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Ukraine to Bryansk 1 bomber moved from Germany to Bryansk 1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to Bryansk Combat - Germans Battle in Bryansk Germans attack with 2 bombers, 3 fighters, 10 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers Russians defend with 1 aaGun and 9 infantry AA fire in Bryansk : 0/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 bombers, 3 fighters, 10 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers in Bryansk, round 2 : 9/18 hits, 6.50 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 aaGun and 9 infantry in Bryansk, round 2 : 3/9 hits, 3.00 expected hits 8 infantry owned by the Russians, 3 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 aaGun owned by the Russians lost in Bryansk Germans roll dice for 2 bombers, 3 fighters, 7 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers in Bryansk, round 3 : 6/15 hits, 6.00 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Bryansk, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Bryansk Germans win, taking Bryansk from Russians with 2 bombers, 3 fighters, 7 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 23 Casualties for Germans: 3 infantry Casualties for Russians: 1 aaGun and 9 infantry Battle in Smolensk Germans attack with 2 armour, 5 artilleries, 3 infantry and 8 mech_infantrys Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 2 armour, 5 artilleries, 3 infantry and 8 mech_infantrys in Smolensk, round 2 : 5/18 hits, 5.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Smolensk, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Smolensk Germans win, taking Smolensk from Russians with 2 armour, 5 artilleries, 3 infantry and 8 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Germans 2 bombers moved from Bryansk to Ukraine 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Bryansk to Ukraine 1 tactical_bomber moved from 92 Sea Zone to Yugoslavia 2 fighters moved from Gibraltar to Yugoslavia 2 carriers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 92 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone 8 armour moved from Ukraine to Smolensk 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Ukraine 1 aaGun moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk 2 fighters moved from Gibraltar to Yugoslavia 9 mech_infantrys moved from Ukraine to Smolensk 5 infantry moved from Scotland to United Kingdom 1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 109 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 109 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 3 transports moved from 111 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 3 infantry and 1 marine moved from Gibraltar to 92 Sea Zone 3 infantry, 1 marine and 2 transports moved from 92 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone 3 infantry and 1 marine moved from 98 Sea Zone to Egypt Place Units - Germans 1 airfield placed in Yugoslavia 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers placed in Ukraine 3 armour placed in Novgorod 1 infantry placed in France 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Western Germany Germans undo move 5. 1 mech_infantry placed in Western Germany 1 infantry placed in France Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 64 PUs; end with 64 PUs Trigger Germans 4 Presence In Egypt: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 69 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 74 PUs Objective Germans 7 Control of Balkans: Germans met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 76 PUs Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 81 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans : 2.17 AA fire in Bryansk : : -0.50 Russians : -0.67

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