AARHE: Phase 2: Technology

I am not feeling too good about technology at the moment actually.
Lots of tuning. Lots of work.

Good if we could keep it to say 12 technologies.
Thats already doubling OOB/LHTR.

I mean how do we justify a massive increase?
Good time to decide what are the real major WWII techs.
So lets say try to keep to 15:

Air:
Jet Plane
Long Range Aircraft
Heavy Bombers

Land:
Rockets
Surface to Air Missiles
Self propelled Artillery

Sea:
Super Submarines (includes Electric-diesel)
Advanced ASW (both recon and weapons)

Other:
Atomic Bomb
Advanced Radar

Economic:
Underground factories
Advanced Production

If Jet planes can’t be hit by Antiaircraft because they are too fast…
then what about surface to air missiles?

Germany had guidable surface to air missiles in WWII.

How exactly can we fashion an A-bomb without off-setting the game?

for starters its gonna have so many boxes
(US and Germany has start head but there is limit to purchasble research dices per turn
we’ll tune it so its possible but not probably to get it for some time)

each bomb is gonna be expensive

its probably NOT gonna be like the original destroy all military in the whole territory
thats not realistic
its gonna destroy some military but more importantly reduce IPC and VCP

8-) actually getting the technology probably make all neutral join your team 8-)

yeah since it takes 2 turns to build battleship carrier and cruiser now it should also take 2 turns to build atomic bomb

I see you also agree with permanently reduced IPC value

what about VCP? (population)

and for damage you have to understand they are not all in the particular city you are a-bombing
so I am thinking only a proportion of all land units in the territory can be hurt

what do you think about surface to air missiles hitting jet planes?

I would say the power of the bomb is the ability to destroy IC’s… and Maybe 2 Infantry… OR cripple IC Production for a turn… That would be devestating…

GG

even getting the A bomb will be very hard… you would get the thing when the game was pretty much decided

yeah a-bomb would be hard to get but I duno about game decided
its certainly long into the game but we shouldn’t assume that

in the case where both axis and allies got the a-bomb do we make the game a draw/peace (win or lose according to national victory conditions) or do we let them have nuclear warfare???

permanent reduction of IPC income already reduce production capacity implicitly due to our limit of 4X IPC can be spent in an IC in a territory with X IPC income.

two D6 dice would average 7 IPC and 7 units destroyed???
that seems a little high to me

surface to air is not for this game. Its too experimental and small scale.

Yeah wiki says none of Germany’s SAMs were used operationally lol.

Ok so “Heavy Tanks” replaces surface to air missiles.
To move along I’ll start drafting numbers on the revised list.

Technology Difficulty: Boxes

Air:
3 Jet Planes (AARHE values)
2 Long Range Aircraft (OOB)
2 Heavy Bombers (OOB)

Land:
2 Rockets (OOB but new economic damage restriction)
2 Heavy Artillery (5 IPC, 3/2, cross territroy bombardment)
3 Heavy Tanks (8 IPC, 4/3, takes 2 hits)

Sea:
2 Super Submarines (SS 3/3, -1 modifier ASW search roll)
2 Advanced ASW (+1 modifier ASW search roll, +1 modifier ASW attack roll, planes perform ASW but without +1 modifier)

Other:
8 Atomic Bomb
2 Advanced Radar (+1 modifier Antiaircraft search roll)

Economic:
2 Underground Factories (No income interruption from combat, “Income interrupt” amount immune to SBR)
3 Advanced Production (FTR SS AP -1; DD CA BMR -2; CV BB -3)

Pre-war Research

Germany: 1 Jet Plane, 1 Rocket, 1 Atomic Bomb
Japan: none
USSR: none
UK: 1 Radar
US: 1 Heavy Bomber, 2 Atomic Bomb

Research capacity

Dice cost 5 IPC.

USSR  2 free + 1 purchasable
UK 2 free + 2 purchasable
USA 6 free + 4 purchasable

Germany 4 free + 4 purchasable
Japan 2 free + 2 purchasable
Italy 2 free + 1 purchasable

Reality check:

USA Tech push and Atomic Bomb all the way…
10 dices per turn.
They need 6 more boxes.
On average 36 dices needed, they would get it by turn 4.
But thats 20 IPC per turn on Tech.

If they only use the free dices.
6 dices per turn.
They would get it by turn 6.

If they is too fast we’ll reduce the research capacity.

Ok instead of 2, 3, and 8 boxes. Maybe more like 3, 4, and 10 boxes…
Any other comments like the difficutly of minor techs or the actual techs?

Air:
4 Jet Planes (AARHE values)
3 Long Range Aircraft (OOB)
3 Heavy Bombers (OOB)

Land:
3 Rockets (OOB but new economic damage restriction)
3 Heavy Artillery (5 IPC, 3/2, cross territroy bombardment)
4 Heavy Tanks (8 IPC, 4/3, takes 2 hits)

Sea:
3 Super Submarines (SS 3/3, -1 modifier ASW search roll)
3 Advanced ASW (+1 modifier ASW search roll, +1 modifier ASW attack roll, planes perform ASW but without +1 modifier)

Other:
10 Atomic Bomb
3 Advanced Radar (+1 modifier Antiaircraft search roll)

Economic:
3 Underground Factories (No income interruption from combat, “Income interrupt” amount immune to SBR)
4 Advanced Production (FTR SS AP -1; DD CA BMR -2; CV BB -3)

Is a turn still 3 months?

The Manhattan project really took off on Oct. 9 1941, and didn’t produce operational bombs 'till July 16 1945… using the 3 month model we get 2 boxes checked off for the US (Fall and Winter of '41) and have an additional 15 boxes to go! That is dealing merely with time differentiation, but I think that should be considered and allow IPC’s to change how fast it takes… The real difference is in the speed you can go at… If there is no limits to the amount of boxes you can overcome then someone will just shove all there money into heavy bombers and then next turn bomb there enemy into submission (you get my gist) and it is just like AaA, just with boxes… Limit the amount of development to historical limits of what was known… For the Atom bomb maybe a max of 2 boxes per turn?

GG

I think Imperious Leader last said 6 months.
If 10 boxes for Atomic Bomb it’ll now take US average 8 turns with only free dices. Thats 4 years.

A good point about limiting how many dices you can put on a particular technology each turn.
Although only US or Germany has a good chance of getting a technology in one turn.
All the other countries only get 3/4 dices per turn. Technologies are either 3/4 boxes.
Overall its harder to get technologies I think.
Maybe need to go back to 2/3 boxes for technologies.

Remember you allocate your resources (dices) to technologies when you pay for them, beginning of the turn. You roll the dices end of the turn. Tech dices hit on 1 now.