AARHE: Phase 2: Technology

Not “double” but rail speed. Say 3.
(Tanks on rail do not move faster than infantry. Mech infantry on rail do not move faster than infantry.)

Must travel within the rail-ed territories for the bonus.
(A bit like the OOB Russian Rail NA.)

***reearch is progressive
      X hitting rolls to succeed, cumulative?

***certain research resources can’t easily be diverted elsewhere
      X free rolls per turn?

Imperious Leader: Land or Carrier based planes cannot alone be involved in attacking submarines except USA and UK starting on turn 12. Up until that time they can only be made available to search for them and also receive two search rolls per plane.

tekkyy: I prefer this moved to Technology. A little more simulation and a little less historic replay.

Imperious Leader: yes right i tried to leave out the “turn 12” thing and change to turn ?? because we have not installed a time frame for turns.

tekkyy: no this is not about time frame
I am saying the ASW technology should be under technology
I mean if Germany or Japan don’t buid must submarines wouldn’t US/UK redirect their research resource?

Imperious Leader: Not clear im not even sure the “tech” should be something that must be researched for a price. I feel it should just happen because of all the research done before the war. It was only a matter of time. The allies could choose to basically stop research in some areas, but its not likely.

tekkyy: first reduce the chance factor (still good to have some of it)
secondly give free research rolls
this models research happening eventually, but the power can speeds thing up if wanted to
also models certain research resources can’t be deverted elsewhere anyway…

I think there is a probably with a turn representing 4-6 months
I “think” it was 3 months

anyway I’ve seen 1 month
which is even better, but really bad with construction schedule

I mean with 4-6 months
land units can go anywhere really in non-combat, with or without rail

yeah we could just allow double movement in non-combat-move
its effects should be quickly revealed in only a little bit of playtesting

but I think the double movement should be if the path only involves territories friendly at the beginning of your turn, or sea zones friendly at the beginning of your turn…of course both needs to be friendly at the moment :)

I think territory controlled at the beginning of your turn is good enough as solid occupation

back to technology

so what do you think of my proposal of free rolls (modelling research resource that can’t be diverted into production anyway) and mutliple hits before research is complete (modelling research progression)

I guess we’ll end up with minor and major tech
minor tech is 1 hit
major tech is 2 hits

free rolls and progress I’ve mentioned already and think they would be good

whats new in your idea is the allocation of research hits…which I don’t like
I don’t think its realistic to let the player allocate hits

if you want tech A you must buy rolls for tech A
if you want it this turn (end of this turn) you might buy extra rolls, but you don’t roll over excess hits into tech B

this secrecy aspect can be complicated
come to think of it the OOB model’s luck already implicitly models secrecy in research progress…and even the power in question is uncertain

it’ll be quite complicated if breakthroughs are kept secret too

anyway I am not sure if we should have huge differences between nations free rolls and technology’s boxes

US and Germany has X rolls, the rest has Y rolls, X > Y
major techs at M rolls and minor techs at N rolls, M > N

@Imperious:

not clear what the idea is here. IN OOB you either have the item after one try or you have nothing… under our system…

Yeah I know. I am saying progress is built into the luck system in OOB. Except even the power in question does not know the progress. But yeah we can improve it with the new system.

it’ll be quite complicated if breakthroughs are kept secret too
+++++ HUH? these are not kept secret?

By breakthroughs I meant which technologies are complete.
Not Atomic bomb but a weapon upgrade. Its complete but no one else knows? So you declare it when neccessary in combat?
Should this be hidden? I think the Japanese know what was coming (Atomic bomb), only they didn’t know when the attack would be.

the basic idea is adaptable… each nation can have the same amount of rolls per turn and it cost x additional for each extra roll. or each nation can allready have x amount of specific tech boxes allready checked off or a combination of these two. Its a very flexable idea.

I was saying I don’t know if we should have 5 different setup values and 5 different no. of free rolls for the 5 powers thats all. But it should be ok, just put it in a table. Just now you have to justify all those values which can be complicated. So I was sugguesting just X or Y no. of free rolls and M or N no. of boxes….rather than A, B, C, D, E no. of free rolls for the 5 powers.

By the way last time I played we made it 2 free rolls per turn and nothing else changed.
And then no one bought additional technology dices.

do we actually need to have sonar and ASW separate?

Sonar improves DD’s sbu-detection as well as screening ability?
ASW lets planes attack submarines?

advanced radar…is that ground combat radar, and/or coastal defense, and/or air combat?

underground factories? I feel this should be an IC upgrade purchased rather than researched

how are we doing for the major/minor tech thing?
just major/minor tech, or actually wide differences from 4 to 10 boxes?

@Imperious:

ASW allows planes eventually to have the ability to attack ships in conjunction with ships its a perfected technique.

You meant “allows planes eventually to have the ability to attack subs in conjunction wit ships” right?

++++ right

++++++ ground radar allows you to see and react to planes coming overhead. For the game it can possibly allow DAS in the same round rather than having to wait one round for planes to assist.

What happens if attacker does not send planes?  :?

+++ lol then the defender does not play any DAS mission.

underground factories? I feel this should be an IC upgrade purchased rather than researched
+++++ The practical value could be better efficiency and -1 on all armor and plane costs…[/quote[

Cheaper units? I was thinking more like resistance to SBR and our “production interruption”.

+++ ok that would work how would the production thing work in that case?

[quote]please list what you think all these tech should be. id say about 15 items

You’ve covered pretty much everything. Except computers, which is quite major.

But this one is tough to model.
Stronger attack can’t be justified, not even with D12 system.
Quicker attack organisation can’t be modelled currently, with no time limit per turn.
Only thing would be certain technologies should be easier to research after you’ve got “computer” technology.
These would probably be atomic, rocketry, jet, sonar and radar.

++++ how does computer tech apply? you mean the enigma machine? the machine that was decoded by british intelligence?