AARHE: Phase 2: Units

Well, I guess if you are going to add 3 types of Jets then you got some reasons there… It could be more like you can use so many per turn in that role…

GG

how bout soviet guard units?

Yeah, I like the Red Guard

( how bout those special forgore units?– my spelling is off but Italy maintained about 12-15 special mech armor divisions)

Ok but I just thought snipers (Bersaglieri) were better since we don’t have snipers yet

@Imperious:

This war did not produce entire division level or corps/ army level formations of sniper units… that is way way too tactical and better fitted for AA minis.

I agree, 1 infantry piece represents x amount of infantry and snipers were incorporated in with the corps.

For the British I think that Commandos: Cost 5 3/1 Raiding ability (can attack adjacent IC areas and SBR same as bomber rules).
For the Americans yes I would pick Marines: Cost 4 2/2 Sneak Attack on first round of combat, Amphibious Assaults make there attack 3.
For the Russians Soviet Guards are already covered well in the NA’s. I would pick Siberian Shock Troops: Cost 5 IPC’s, 2/2 When Attacking an enemy in an occupied Red Territory it’s attack goes up to 3. When attacking an enemy in a non-red territory it gets a sneak attack for the first round of combat. 
Fer the Germans I would actually choose Stormtroopers (an Armor for its “special”?): Cost 4 IPC’s. 3/2. When supported by an Artillery the units Attack goes to 4. The Unit gets to sneak attack on the first round of battle.
For the Italians they get the Bersaglieri (to me a no-brainer): Costs 5 IPC’s. 3/2. Unit moves at 2. Sneak attacks when Defending.
For the Japanese I would choose the SNLF: Cost 5 IPC’s. 3/3. Units sneak attack on the first turn Defending or Attacking. May be transported by Bomber and Dropped (1 per plane, AA fire that shoots it down destroys the SNLF, and the Bomber).

GG

So the problem remains. When you achieve Jet Technology, you would upgarde your fighters but you wouldn’t upgrade your bombers…
+++++ no you have a seperate piece… all your planes dont just “poof” and become jets. you have to build them individually

Oh there was misunderstanding. I thought you wanted Jets to be an upgrade rather than a new unit.

With the too many units problem…we could alternatively model upgrading and have a 1 turn delay before all planes become jet planes.

Just an idea.

We are getting quite a few units with naval fighter and dive bomber. And those two are more important for distinction?

Perhaps a special Air unit per player? That will cut down on a lot of pieces and confusion and still gives a lot of play possibilities. And you can always have the tech tree come into play to counter the other “specials”. I am not sure you can build enough variables that are historical with d6…

Are you saying you haven’t come up with the stats for said units?! Ok, I will keep them in mind…

GG

I always liked the idea of having special units per player… Perhaps jet fighters for Germany, jet bombers for USA, flying boats for UK…

Jet Fighter (Germany): Cost 14, 4/3. Sneak Attack in Dogfighting for first round. May retreat combat at the beginning of any round (including the first one), to any Friendly Territory in Range.

Heavy Bomber (US): Cost 17 (18?) IPC’s, 4/2. SBR, and rolls 2 Dice in Attack.

Flying Boats (US and UK): Cost 14 IPC’s, 3/2. Naval Combat Advantage (sneak attack to represent black cats), can attack subs without radar. Convoy attack (if convoys are in the game).

GG

I would be up for an idea like that. I think in different ways this was assumed to be an idea that is active, I am not quite sure what your ideas for techs were… I would be willing to have only the standard units (+ Larrys new ones: Cruisers, Dive Bombers, and Mech. Infantry) and just have tech upgrades…

GG

How about a more maneuverable, plane, making it harder to hit? Outnumbered British spitfires were much more maneuverable than the Luftwaffe, and the Luftwaffe suffered many casualties because of this. How about an early warning system. Allowing a fighter to reinforce an adjacent friendly territory being attacked and landing back in the territory from which it came?

P.S., we should make a topic for finalizations of phases, to keep everyone up to speed. It should only contain completed phases, like the turn sequence, time factor, etc. We should also keep comments to a minimum so it will be easier to see the final product of a given phase, you know what I mean?

Just throwing out some ideas so we could probably use them or work off them!

RD

http://rapidshare.de/files/26442741/Axis___Allies_Historic_Edition_Phase_2_Draft_200607XX.rtf.html

Get it guys… am going through it…

GG

I have a “specialist” unit for Germany… How about making there Artillery “mobile” and it can target tanks as if they were “Aircraft” (88’s) but can only fire at one or the other… I think that the Allies would find it harder to just land in France on T2 or 3 because they can if a more historical blocker was in the way…

GG

@Imperious:

we are stuck in the linguistic’s but we can easily circumvent this consider:
Advanced fighters
Advanced bombers

Yeah so basically Jet, Long Range Aircraft, Heavy Bombers are all upgrades not new units.
But its no longer called “Jet” for example.

I am ok with that. That solves the too many air units problem.

@rawdawg:

How about an early warning system. Allowing a fighter to reinforce an adjacent friendly territory being attacked and landing back in the territory from which it came?

Yep we have this.
Its called Defensive Air Support.
When its not your turn your planes can actually combat in an adjacent territory or sea zone INSTEAD of the territory it is in.

P.S., we should make a topic for finalizations of phases, to keep everyone up to speed. It should only contain completed phases, like the turn sequence, time factor, etc. We should also keep comments to a minimum so it will be easier to see the final product of a given phase, you know what I mean?

We have that. For phase 1 we have a “AARHE: Phase 1: Final Draft” thread.
For phase 2, which is incomplete, we have a “AARHE: Phase 2: Draft” thread which will be renamed to “AARHE: Phase 2: Final Draft” or something when we move onto phase 3.

Perhaps this should be seperated into two topics - aircraft and land?

I’d like to see the creation of convoy units, which would subtract IPC’s from their controlling country if destroyed. What about partisans, such as the FFF?

I find it interesting that the map is being preserved (as much as possible) to retain A&A appeal, but the basic unit system is being changed quite radically.