I took a look at the opening post. Although I do not agree with all points, it sounds quite solid in general and can function as some good common sense and/or as rule of thumbs for less experienced players.
We need an allied playbook.
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@oysteilo said in We need an allied playbook.:
A minor in Persia is never advised in my opinion. If you really want this, it is much better to attack Iraq, British 1. It accomplish the same and is order of magnitudes bettee than Persia. I really don’t se the need for the Persia complex
I prefer none of Iraq or Persia. I do not say NEVER build it, but the only IC I would always advise is Egypt.
The reason is: All other ICs are usually built for the Germans as Allies cannot prevent the Germans from taking it.Egypt is the only one that is harder to take and that UK has to defend with their teeth (not only against Germany but early also against Italy)
And also, never forgot: Instead of investing 12 in “nothing”, you could build 3 mech in SA.
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If the South Africa factory is to be used to produce units to defend Egypt and contest the Middle East, I suggest starting with three infantry there on turns two and three that slow walk to their destination before you start producing mechs. Producing mechs there on turn four will get them to Egypt at the same time as the turn two infantry and you’ll have saved six IPCs in the process.
If you want another IC in the area, Iraq is modestly better than Persia despite the extra turn it takes for fighters produced there to arrive in Moscow – Iraq is just a little easier to hold.
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I agree with JDOWs sentiment.
However, a mIC in Iraq is usually a lot easier to hold than one in Persia. Doesn’t mean it can’t fall, but being closer to Cairo does make a huge difference in several ways.
Usually UK can’t really expend 9 IPC for production in SA during the first two turns. There are several more relevant investments, like a mIC in Cairo, eventually also an ab, an ab in Gibraltar and keeping London safe.
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Yes, that is why Middle Earth is an interesting idea, but not necessarily a great strategy (as taped) because it just focuses on a southshuck in isolation.
And most people don’t even reply to the point JDOW is making because they don’t have enough experience to understand it, even though we’ve been saying it for years.
JDOW built the JDOWJ1DOW strategy that I’ve copied for years–and its something you keep in your playbook based on your read of the enemy strategy, but its a plan that allocates every unit move.
no plan survives first contact with the enemy -Moltke
Back to Simon33’s question–rewatching GHG’s video he takes Iraq and Persia on UK1, he can bring armor, cruiser shot, infantry, arty, the planes from India (which can land in syria with the rest of the taranto surviving planes). Thats a blowout if you bring it all. He also activates persia.
I never personally did it that way until I followed his more detailed plan to see how it works in practice–and I’m not in love with his overall plan or the timing, but I think its pretty easy to do both. And yes, you avoid Sumatra but that money goes to the weaker UKP and the idea here is to position UKE for the longer game.
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@aequitas-et-veritas Would you care to give us your list of spots? Just noticed this as a significant comment!
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@taamvan great thoughts there Taamvan!
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@jdow said in We need an allied playbook.:
I prefer none of Iraq or Persia. I do not say NEVER build it, but the only IC I would always advise is Egypt.
If you do this, you can’t build both Iraq and Persia. This is a more defensive strategy. If I knew for sure that the Axis would concentrate on the German-Italian mechanised tag team, I would do so also.
Whereas the Iraq+Persia combo supports the UK ranging into the Caucasus, if they don’t fall to the Nazis.
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@taamvan said in We need an allied playbook.:
Back to Simon33’s question–rewatching GHG’s video he takes Iraq and Persia on UK1, he can bring armor, cruiser shot, infantry, arty, the planes from India (which can land in syria with the rest of the taranto surviving planes). Thats a blowout if you bring it all. He also activates persia.
Hold on, if you bring an arm+art you are using both transports so can’t activate Persia.
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@simon33 arm comes via syria from egypt. mech is in alexandria so cant make it.
Watch the video. For years I thought I understood it and his plan is dangerous overall (Sea Lion, Factory Take) but his opener and UK1-3 plan wasnt clear until I carefully watched what he did and tried to imitate it.
All the best.
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@taamvan said in We need an allied playbook.:
@simon33 arm comes via syria from egypt. mech is in alexandria so cant make it.
You have the setup wrong here. Arm starts in Alexandria while the mech starts in Egypt.
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excuse you old friend—GHG has the setup wrong and I didnt bother to confirm it!
BRING THAT BUGGY
All the best!
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If there is no j1 declaration then I think the Iraq and Persia move is a good one if you want flexability. With war declared, those planes are out of position
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@taamvan could you post a link from this Video please?
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Out of position to do what? They are not needed on UK1-3 to defend UKP, and Japan is usually so tough that 2 planes and a few ships don’t project much threat.
Those planes ARE in position to defend the SB, TB and any other fighters that survive Taranto. One of the worst things that can happen to UK is to win taranto and then land the planes where the Italians can and should wipe them all out because there is only 1 or 0 infantry to protect the planes.
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email me. We can have a private test and I’ll show you what Im talking about.
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you can dm me but I dont mess with triple AAA its just too tedious for me. Thanks though and I love the discussion.
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Perhaps at Gencon then. Hope there is one.
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@taamvan said in We need an allied playbook.:
Out of position to do what? They are not needed on UK1-3 to defend UKP, and Japan is usually so tough that 2 planes and a few ships don’t project much threat.
Those planes ARE in position to defend the SB, TB and any other fighters that survive Taranto. One of the worst things that can happen to UK is to win taranto and then land the planes where the Italians can and should wipe them all out because there is only 1 or 0 infantry to protect the planes.
i’ve gone away from Taranto because of losing the planes even if you win, but this is a very interesting scenario utilizing UKP for territory and protection!
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You could lose India though. Japan could have attacked J1 and moved south to attack India J3. Moving those units and fighters out could be the difference.
I advise caution if Japan declared war J1.
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