Offloading In Both Combat And Non Combat Movement

A friend of mine and I are arguing over the interpretation of the attack/defend rules of basic combat. In the instructions it says to roll for all units with the same attack or defend value at the same time. Does this mean if I have 10 infantry units I roll one die for all ten or do I roll for each unit individually (10 Die)?

My thought was that if you roll one die for multiple units with low attack value (infantry), it keeps their offensive value low (making battle more realistic), but rewards large numbers of infantry units by awarding many hits on a successful attack/defend roll.
It seems a bit weird that a few infantry troops could very easily take out an equal number of  tanks.

Lemme know your thoughts. Official rules first, but favorite house rules welcome.

@bb82:

Because the med fleet will be blocked by a Russian sub, Germany, at most, can attack UK with the following:

6 infantry, 6 armor, 6 fighters, and 1 bomber.

I like the 2 FTR, 3 INF on UK1 myself so that isn’t that bad a battle to fight really.

7 INF (2 UK Start; 2 US; 3 UK1 buy)
2 RTL (1 UK, 1 US)
2 ARM (1 UK, 1 US assuming SZ1 TRN sunk)
5 FTRS (2 UK, 1 US, 2 UK1 buy)
2 BOM

Take the Bombers as 1st round casulties and you aren’t too bad.

Moving the UK BB and TRN and the R sub to SZ6 will draw off some air power as Frood says it is aprox. 78% for the UK/R in the naval battle with just 2 subs and a Des.

One of those things you shouldn’t feel too bad about losing though.

I think we could probably devote a whole board to the sub rules. I think in Classic (bot many games of Classic under the belt went to that backwards via Europe) subs could come into a zone, shoot, and leave without being shot at. Not sure on that though.

Our problem was we were not conducting opening fire every round that subs were still on the battle board. We would have opening shots then treat them just like any other naval units.

The sub rules are different in all four versions of the game with subs that much I’m very clear on. The sub rules for Revised I’m very clear on because I think they are the cleanest.

@nooob:

that was the greatest soapbox ride ive seen in a long time

but in all fairness to LHTRv1.3 if you use the recommened charts and only use 1 die to determine NA’s “some”…NA’s are not over powering at all

Math envy.

Where’s my crack pipe?

You can also drive tanks that were not engaged through the territory to a friendly territory on the other side.  Good way to open up reinforcement routes in Europe.

@ncscswitch:

@jsp4563:

The battle board even has a spot on the attaker side for transports with an attack value of Zero.

And as came up in the Allied fleets on “attack” discussion here and at Harris Game Design, that battle board is more than jsut a playing aid, it is indeed part of the rules themsevles.  So, a zero attack space for TRN’s means that under teh rules, TRNs can attack (they just can’t hit anything)

Which is BS.  Gosh bless it, if they can shoot down attacking planes, why can’t they ram submarines!  Bah huddlebugs and sassaphrase roots!!!  (I’m just being silly.)

Yep… I had that argument with Tri in one of our earlier games…  I was using the box rules which implied somethign else, he was using LHTR, which are explicit.

It was also changed for the Hasbro CD version of A&A.  Not sure which came first… but when I first encountered it with the disk, it annoyed me.  But was good prep for Revised :-)