Oztea's 1939 Global Setup

In essence, the main difference is that now the Pacific UK and ANZAC can no longer claim the money islands freely?

If Japan strikes the islands, does that allow the US to declare war like Global 1940?

@bakerbei They cannot claim it freely because it is now an independent faction rather than “pro-Allies” that ANZAC and Pacific UK can just freely claim. If they want to claim the money islands, they must attack them, which turns only the Dutch territories pro-Axis.

However, if the Axis attack, they become pro-Allies and can then be taken by the Allies. Otherwise, the Dutch cannot be taken unless an attack from either the Axis or Allies happens on one of the Dutch territories.

If Japan attacks the Dutch islands, it does not bring any of the Allies into the war, as it is an independent faction. And the Pacific no longer claims the Dutch islands under their protection.

@Blackychan So then does it not behoove the Pacific Allies to take the islands so that way the Japanese can’t claim the islands without declaring war on the Allies?

Unless I’m misunderstanding the rules, the way this set up is that where the Japanese could take the money islands without allowing the US into the war earlier?

@Blackychan Triple A allows Anzac to walk in on the Dutch islands during non combat move … not sure who can fix that.
In the rules it says if Japan attacks the Dutch then the US can DOW against any axis power.

@Blackychan In the game I was referring to, Germany attacked Holland R1… so that attack must have made the Dutch pro allied.
This is the first time I’ve played this set up so I need to learn the special rules and how to utilize them to my advantage.

@captainwalker that’s the original rules. Ozetas rules change that.

@captainwalker Yes, if Germany attacks Holland, the Money Islands become pro-Allies. The opening round for Germany is the most important, as you can take every territory adjacent to Russia, still get your bonuses, and wipe out France. Then you can attack Russia and significantly weaken it by turn 4.

I have found that attacking the Dutch is largely useless for the Axis. Ozeta commonly positions them as a threatening point for Sea Lion, but you can execute Sea Lion on turn two if you play Germany’s cards right, without having to worry about eliminating the Dutch. However, if the Dutch are not dealt with properly, the Allies can simply declare war on them and go for the Money Islands anyway, at very little cost to themselves and with far more negative impact on the Axis.

If you want to play a game on Triple A we can

@Blackychan Sure… we can play a game. I’d like to learn more about the set up and some of the game options.
pm for details about getting it set up

@captainwalker

Hi captain

Yea you have to Player Enforce the takeover of the Dutch Islands as you stated triplea will allow it.

I need to revisit this map and see if I can change that. Relationships can be quite complex and are hard to get just right for every situation.

Also, the original game Notes by veqryn explain some of the triplea limitations if you haven’t already seen them.

A few may have changed but it is still mostly accurate.

@barnee I’m not sure if it does allow it. Germany took Holland R1 so that would have made Dutch pro allies in our game.
You can check it out if you’d like anyway.
I have been going through the game notes since this is the first time I’ve played this set up… will probably have more questions the more I learn about it.

@captainwalker
Yea I just tried it and it won’t let you take Dutch TTys in NCM when the Dutch haven’t been attacked.

There is no option for UK/ANZAC/FRA to DOW on the Dutch though. I will need to add that.

Idk if DOW on the Neutrals allows it or not. I will check.

Edit
Yea DOW on the True Neutrals doesn’t allow UK to attack the Dutch.

You will need to edit them to at War. Ctrl w or it’s under the Game tab top left.

Edit 2
Hmm … I don’t see anywhere that it says the Allies can DOW on the Dutch. I don’t think they can. I think just have to wait for the Axis to attack them and then they become pro Allied

@Blackychan said in Oztea's 1939 Global Setup:

However, if the Dutch are not dealt with properly, the Allies can simply declare war on them and go for the Money Islands anyway

Can you point me to where it says this in the rules ?

@captainwalker said in Oztea's 1939 Global Setup:

Triple A allows Anzac to walk in on the Dutch islands during non combat move … not sure who can fix that.

yea triplea won’t allow it in this mod. it works correctly

@bakerbei said in Oztea's 1939 Global Setup:

@Blackychan So then does it not behoove the Pacific Allies to take the islands so that way the Japanese can’t claim the islands without declaring war on the Allies?

Unless I’m misunderstanding the rules, the way this set up is that where the Japanese could take the money islands without allowing the US into the war earlier?

The way I’m reading it, JPN can attack the Dutch and it just changes the Dutch to Pro Allied. Doesn’t create any DOW with anyone else.

JPN still needs Borneo to get the bonus though.

Idk I will read through the whole thread again and see if he says anything about it.

I’m guessing he just assumes G is gonna attack HOL by turn 2 or 3 Idk

@barnee the game I’m currently playing Japan couldn’t DOW just against the Dutch. The DOW option was for Britain, Anzac and Dutch. And when they declare against the Dutch it allows the US to declare against all axis.

@captainwalker
yea i just tested that as well. It does allow JPN to DOW on Dutch but then USA can DOW on JPN.

I’ll test it again

Edit
Yea so JPN DOW on Dutch only

Still Neutral with UK and everyone except China who they already at War with.

I’m not sure if that’s correct about the USA being able to DOW on JPN after a Dutch attack though. I couldn’t find anything in OOB rules saying they could but I’ve always assumed they can.

Oz not around anymore but @crockett36 knows how to contact him. Maybe he can clarify the above for you

@barnee it says in the game notes that the US can declare against any axis power if Japan attacks the Dutch

@captainwalker

OK well it seems as if it’s all working correctly then.

Idk about the Allies DOW on the Dutch though. I can’t find it in the rules anywhere

@barnee Yeah since it’s not in the 1940 rules, the way I’m piecing it together is that since the Dutch are an independent faction, it becomes a sprint for who gets control of the islands the earliest.

Looking solely at the Pacific, let’s say the Japanese take Celebes, then Java and the other one that is escaping me flip to Pro-Allied. That doesn’t constitute a DOW on the Allies, correct?

So then, the Allies can grab the other islands, but Celebes is off limits unless the Pacific Allies declare war on Japan. Am I interpreting/applying the rules correctly?

@bakerbei

Hi baker

from the OOB rulebook it seems that unless UK or ANZAC DOW on JPN, it will bring the USA into the war. Also JPN can’t attack the Dutch unless at war with UK/ANZAC