Multi-National forces on ATTACK

so, ncscswitch (or anybody else?),

has there been a modification in Larry’s rules?
or will he change them eventually in one way or another?
when is it official?
:-)

@ncscswitch:

So you tell me, with 5 “official” rule sets in existence, what does it take to make the next set “official”?

LOL,

when a Axis and Allies Revised Revised is sold in shops in 2014?
:lol: 8-)

@ncscswitch:

Well, the ruling from the folks who actually authored the written LHTR (the 3 existing versions) are of a mind that the UK ships absorbing hits was NEVER legal under the rules (this is at odds with Larry’s own posts on the subject previously).

However, Larry has apparently withdrawn his objection and the CLARIFICATION that will include a blackletter exclusion of what they felt was already in the rules will be posted shortly.

I have no idea what the distribution is for LHRT revisions, or even what makes them "official"  Afterall, LHRT are TECHNICALLY just house rules that a lot of folks use.  And since there are currently 3 versions (LHRT, LHRT1.1, LHRT 1.2) and about to be a 4th (LHRT 1.3) plus the original rule manual AND the original manual with errata revisions both from Avalon…

So you tell me, with 5 “official” rule sets in existence, what does it take to make the next set “official”?

LHTR v 1.2 is the current “official” rule set in use by the major on-line clubs and by the moderators/gamemasters of the major face to face tournaments. If and when the update under discussion is put into effect, it will likely be issued as LHT 1.3. It will be available on-line as a web document at http://dicey.net/revised/index.php . A link will also be provided there for a pdf version (English first, with German following in a month or so, if history repeats itself.). The German online club DAAK, maintains the site where the pdf versions are kept. AAMC maintains the site where the web version is kept.

What makes them official is the recognition by the clubs’ leadership that they are the rules in effect for club play. If your local club has printed variation rule sets, then those are the official rules for your local group. Their “officialness” is only a question of degree of universal acceptance. I would be delighted to have AH/WOC lift the LHTR rule set in its entirety and post in on its website, but frankly Scarlett, I don’t think they give a damn. They’re making money with no effort and do not seem to be concerned that they have a defective product on the market.

BW

@ncscswitch:

Thanks Black Watch :-)

The short version is that there is in fact NO single, 100% universal set of rules that everyone agrees on as being official :-D

Agreed. However it might be useful for anyone wanting to play competitively in the online clubs or at ftf tourneys to print and learn the LHTR rules - it’s what you’ll be playing with there, and you don’t really want to learn them in your first experience in the clubs.

Also - the same notion of non-universality of rules can be seen in other situations, but you better be sure you learn the local rules before entering the game. To use traffic rules for example:

1. In Quebec (at least the last time I drove there), there is no right turn on a red light allowed. If you do it and are caught, it’s the same fine as if you ran straight through.
2. In Ontario, those fancy dressed up pedestrian crosswalks absolutely require any driver to yield the right of way to pedestrians - it’s not optional.

BW

I agree with Switch on this one, i wont put on many arguments as I think Switch has made it very clear, at least I see his point very clear.
Some says that this shouldn’t apply because the game tends to favor the allies, but balance in the game shouldn’t be made up of battle rules, it should be made out of starting units and income, besides the problem with balance is already solved with bids.

But consider this, what if you bring a UK carrier with two US planes into a battle on the UK turn.
Would you not say that these planes are very much in the zone of fire, and thereby legal targets for defending fire?

By the way, by bringing fighters on a UK carrier would allow fighters to move up to 6 spaces in one turn, so now we’re into a lot of rule bending…  :|

EDIT: I just remembered something about treating allied fighters on carriers as cargo on a tranny, so forget my argument, I’m just tired and talking silly. I still place my vote on MR L and switch though.

Regards,
-Daniel Malus

As far as I can tell, The rules out of the box work just fine for me.  I know that they are poorly witten but hey we can’t all be perfect.  Also I have no problem winning with the Axis without a bid so I’m not to sure what is out of balance here.  The allies have to work together and the axis has to find a way to keep that from happining.