Should Japan ignore China?

Most players won’t reinforce China with USSR if it looks like Germany is going to drive into USSR.

Germany cannot go “hog wild” with a competent UK/Soviet player without some truly decent dice luck. Germany can push up to Moscow, but they often times can’t take Moscow immediately. That, and they can’t really spend their resources in any way but to facilitate as much power as is possible against Russia, or risk losing a turn (or worse, two), toward the eventual goal in the east.

Right about the time the European Axis are crashing the gates or ducking south for that sweet, sweet Caucasus/Volgo/Middle East money, America should be turning around or have already turned around form the Pacific.

On the other hand, Japan fucking can go hog wild without American intervention: J1 DoW specifically. I favor 100% Pac buys as the US (apart from maybe the first 52 or a sub or two a turn or whatever else, depending on a ton of situations that can’t be covered here) because the sooner you can start crumpling up Japan, the sooner you can go try to play hero in Europe.

It might be worth mentioning that Hawaii and Gibraltar are “only” two turns away from one another. It is not impossible to change your mind. It’s usually not the best idea, mind you, but it is an option, and it is occasionally useful.

From what I understand yes that will cause a declaration of war with Japan.  Also, I think if Japan controls Chinese territories bordering the mongolian territories, and Russia attacks first against one of those territories, then you will not get your 6 guys from mongolia.  Someone correct me if I’m wrong.

Yes.

@Krieghund:

After the “or”.

Gracias. Might want to re-word that on the original post so there isn’t anymore confusion.

How about instead of building a huge fleet you build a bunch of transports and infantry in W. US for the first two turns and turn hawaii into a fortress with like 10-15 infantry and station your begining fleet off of hawaii, For Japan to be able to take Hawaii with all of those infantry would require huge transport fleets that are impractical for a limited budget such as Japan, and still allow it to take Sydney and Calcutta. Also after turn 3 you can send the transports back to E. US for the european invasion fleet.

A month or two ago I posted this strategy for Japan in AAR about taking the heat of Germany and taking the Mnr US VC in Nth America

@The:

A strategy employed to annoy the USA is to land units in Alaska and take the pressure of Germany so they can take Moscow. But why not take this one step further and focus on taking LA/San Fran?

This is an alternate Japanese strategy to that of the Moscow/Berlin race that is seen in most games. This could be taken over to global '40 but it would be a lot harder to preform. Also could be used for spring '42.

For this strategy to be implemented you will need to following things to have happened:

Allies play the standard KGF

No UK factory in india

No US factory in China/Sinkijiang

Here is the standard move for J1 on this strategy:

India capture with inf in FIC and Shanghai transport used to move inf from Shanghai to FIC and air support.
Move 2 inf from Japan to Shanghai with sz60 tran.
Build:
2 inf 6 Ipc
2 Art 8 ipc
2 Tran 16 ipc
total 30 ipc

Earned 33 Ipc

J2

Shanghai tran that will be close to FIC moved to sz 61 and move 2inf from Japan to Manchuria and move them into Shanghai.

You will have in:
Shanghai: 5 inf
Japan: 2inf, 3art,1 arm, 1 Bmr and maybe 1 fighter
India, FIC, Manchuria 2-3 inf and maybe 1 fighter in each

Build:
same as J1

Ipc earned 33 left over from buy 3 total 36

J3
Take china with air support 2-3 fighters and 5 inf in Shanghai
Only if no SU forces in it and 2-3 inf plus fighter in it.

Build
Same as J1

at the end of this turn you should have:
Japan: 4inf, 5art, 1arm
SZ60: 1bb, 6 tran

J4 this is the important turn

Invade Alaska with 3 tran carrying 1 inf + 1art each. Use your BB bombardment to kill the inf. If Alaska has to large a force in it use all 6 tran and take all units out of Japan or use your trans to shuck units onto the mainland and push for Moscow. You shoudn’t have to do this as Britain and the USA will be focussed on taking Berlin and preforming D-DAY.

After you have taken Alaska you will be earning 37 IPC per turn.
You have 36 IPC to spend

Buy
3 inf 9
2 art 8
2 tran 16
total 33

end turn IPC total 40

Japan: 4 INF, 4 ART, 1 ARM
SZ60: 5 tran
Alaska: 3 INF, 3 ART
SZ 63: 1 BB, 3 TRAN

J5

4 TRANS shuck 4 inf + art to Alaska
3 trans in sz63 return to sz 60

Build
4INF, 4 ART

12 ipc to do what you want with

earn the 37 plus what you didn’t spend

J6

same as J5 build and move 4art+inf to Alaska
Move 4 tran back to sz60 from 63

J7…
same as J6

when you have a big enough force probably J6 move units into Western Canada. Every NCM move units that landed in Alaska to WC and strike at LA and place build units into there and try and hold from the American counter. If succesful build up your force and strike at Washington. Even without taking Washington you will win as the US forces will be trying to take LA back from you and with Calcutta and LA under your control if you and Germany have lost no VC’s you have 8 if Germany take Lenningrad or Moscow you win if Playing LHTR. If not and going for 10 vc’s Germany should be able to take Moscow and win. If playing 12 you will attack Washington and Germany will attack London. You should still win with both of you sending forces through the former SU and through Africa to collect IPC for yourselves and take them from UK.

This seems easy in concept but is hard to pull off but if successful you will win easily. Because of its diffuclty to be successful players usually stay in Alaska/WC and threaten LA rather than attempt to take it.

I tried it in revised and pulled of the capture of LA but not Washington as Moscow had been weakened by a huge German force about 6 ing, 6 art, 30 arm against about 45 SU inf We also had leningrad and calcutta so we won with one to many VC’s (We played LHTR)The Uk and US 1-2 punch in France failed as the US had to try and retake two VC’s in one turn

I’m now going to try and attempt to convert this into a G40 strat while still taking China and Far eastern Russia.

We assume that Russia moves 18 inf into Bry

Also will only see pacific side of the board as what happens in Europe doesn’t affect it much except if US starts spending Money in the Pacific

J1 build
Mnr
2 tran
save 0

Attack
Hun and Yun with normal forces

Take Amu with forces in Korea and Man

Take Cha and Anh with forces in Jeh and Sha

Take FIC with forces in siam
Hun and Yun loses may be different to what I show. But thats ok as it doesn’t majorly affect the strat.

NCM
Fig For-Japan
Fig Okin-Japan
Inf Okin v/ tran Z20-19-20 -Ksi
DD,CV,Tact,Fig Z33-36
CC,DD,BB,SS Z19-36

Place
Mnr in Shanghai
2 tran Z6

Collect
33

Now some assumptions to be made
US retreats from Phil with fig to guam
2 inf v/tran to Z23
DD - Z23

It doesnt matter if US doesn’t retreat from Phil it will mean you will occur some loses though
Lets assume China takes back Yun and strengths its position

I have entered in some standard Brit and ANZAC moves.

J1 complete J2 coming soon
Jap KAF J1.AAM

I would wait a turn and build an IC in a useful place. If you build it in J1, then it will mostly be used against China and perhaps Russia. HK and Singapore are way better options. From Malaya you can be in India in one turn (with fleet), in Australia, all of DEI and back to Japan quite fast. Land units are also quite close to Burma road (Chinese lifeline).

So if you decide to attack the UK on J2 then I would build an IC on J3 in Malaya or Kwantung. If you are going to wait longer then China (and perhaps Russia) may become too much of a pain and you need to transport units to the mainland.

My next game as Japan I will attack UK on J2 in Malaya. It gives you +3, UK -3 and ANZAC NO lost. And it is arguably the best place for an IC. For the attack I need a lot of transports, because I also want to take most of the other prices, like the DEI island, Phillipines and/or Kwantung. This gives your economy a major boost and the UK loses a lot of IPC income. I would also prefer to take DEI island from the UK instead of the Dutch controlled islands. You can take those later and the UK islands work both ways (more for you, less for them).