Innohub & Ozymandiac, Anniversay '41

I realised we missed something. There’s an optional rule that Turkey (Dardanelles) is closed to naval units (important for Italy and sz16). I haven’t made any decisions yet based on wether it’s allowed or not. For Russia it is important. I’m fine with closing it as it might balance the game a bit. What was your assumption (open/closed)?

Haha yes I would list that kind of list as well. I was wondering the same thing regarding blitz. I downloaded the rules book. It says “A tank that encounters enemy units in the fi rst territory it enters must stop there, even if the unit is an antiaircraft gun or an industrial complex.” So you can consider Karelia blitz-proof.

And OK: Dardanelles are closed.

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v3 1941, version: 1.7

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 2 destroyers; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 0 techTokens;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Buryatia S.S.R.
                  Japanese take Buryatia S.S.R. from Russians
            2 infantry moved from Manchuria to Suiyuan
            1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Suiyuan
            1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Hupeh
            1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Fukien
            3 infantry moved from French Indo-China Thailand to Yunnan
            3 infantry moved from Caroline Islands to 51 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 51 Sea Zone to 60 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Okinawa to 60 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 60 Sea Zone to 50 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 50 Sea Zone to Philippine Islands
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 51 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 61 Sea Zone to 49 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 61 Sea Zone to 50 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 38 Sea Zone to East Indies
                  Japanese take East Indies from British
            2 infantry moved from 49 Sea Zone to Borneo
                  Japanese take Borneo from British
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 50 Sea Zone to Philippine Islands
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Japan to 62 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 61 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 61 Sea Zone to Kwangtung
            1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 61 Sea Zone to 50 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 61 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Formosa to Yunnan
            1 fighter moved from Manchuria to Hupeh
            1 fighter moved from Japan to Fukien
            4 fighters moved from 57 Sea Zone to 53 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 51 Sea Zone to 53 Sea Zone

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in Yunnan
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 3 infantry
                Chinese defend with 1 fighter and 1 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter in Yunnan, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 4 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter in Yunnan, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                    1 fighter owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan
                Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 fighter and 1 infantry
            Battle in 50 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 2 transports
                Americans defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 2 transports in 50 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1,17 expected hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 50 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 50 Sea Zone
                    1 transport owned by the Americans lost in 50 Sea Zone
                Japanese win with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 2 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
                Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
            Battle in Philippine Islands
                Japanese attack with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
                Americans defend with 2 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Philippine Islands, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                    Americans roll dice for 2 infantry in Philippine Islands, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Philippine Islands
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Philippine Islands, round 3 : 1/4 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Philippine Islands, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Philippine Islands
                Japanese win, taking Philippine Islands from Americans with 1 artillery and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry
            Battle in Kwangtung
                Japanese attack with 1 armour and 1 infantry
                British defend with 1 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in Kwangtung, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 infantry in Kwangtung, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Kwangtung
                Japanese win, taking Kwangtung from British with 1 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Battle in 53 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 destroyer and 4 fighters
                Americans defend with 1 battleship
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer and 4 fighters in 53 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 2,33 expected hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 battleship in 53 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                    1 battleship owned by the Americans lost in 53 Sea Zone
                Japanese win with 1 destroyer and 4 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 20
                Casualties for Americans: 1 battleship
            Battle in 35 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 2 fighters
                British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters in 35 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 35 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 fighter owned by the Japanese lost in 35 Sea Zone
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter in 35 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 35 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 35 Sea Zone
                    1 transport owned by the British lost in 35 Sea Zone
                Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 fighter
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
            Battle in Fukien
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 infantry
                Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Fukien, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Fukien, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Fukien
                Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
            Battle in Hupeh
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 infantry
                Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Hupeh, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Hupeh, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Hupeh
                Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
            Battle in Suiyuan
                Japanese attack with 3 infantry
                Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 3 infantry in Suiyuan, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Suiyuan, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Suiyuan
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Suiyuan, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Suiyuan, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Suiyuan
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese retreated to Manchuria
                Chinese win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 61 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Yunnan to French Indo-China Thailand
            4 fighters moved from 53 Sea Zone to 60 Sea Zone
            2 carriers moved from 57 Sea Zone to 60 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Fukien to French Indo-China Thailand
            1 fighter moved from Hupeh to French Indo-China Thailand

Place Units - Japanese
            2 destroyers placed in 62 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 30 PUs; end with 31 PUs
            Objective 2: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 36 PUs
            Objective 1: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 41 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

British : 1,00
    Americans : -2,00
    Chinese : 2,33
    Japanese : -0,33

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TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v3 1941, version: 1.7

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 armour and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 0 techTokens;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 battleship and 2 cruisers moved from 14 Sea Zone to 12 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Balkans to 14 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 14 Sea Zone to 12 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 12 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Italy to France
            1 armour moved from Balkans to Northwestern Europe
            1 fighter moved from Italy to Northwestern Europe
            1 armour moved from Italy to France

Combat - Italians
            Battle in 12 Sea Zone
                Italians attack with 1 battleship, 2 cruisers and 1 transport
                British defend with 1 destroyer
                    Italians roll dice for 1 battleship, 2 cruisers and 1 transport in 12 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/3 hits, 1,67 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 12 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 12 Sea Zone
                Italians win with 1 battleship, 2 cruisers and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
            Battle in France
                Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                British defend with 1 armour
                    Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry in France, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1,17 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 armour in France, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry in France, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 1,17 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 armour in France, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Italians and 1 armour owned by the British lost in France
                Italians win, taking France from British with 1 armour and 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 armour
            Battle in Gibraltar
            Battle in Northwestern Europe
                Italians attack with 1 armour and 1 fighter
                British defend with 1 infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 1 armour and 1 fighter in Northwestern Europe, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 infantry in Northwestern Europe, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the British lost in Northwestern Europe
                Italians win, taking Gibraltar from British, taking Northwestern Europe from British with 1 armour and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 fighter moved from Northwestern Europe to Italy
            2 infantry moved from Libya to Egypt

Place Units - Italians
            1 armour and 1 infantry placed in Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Italians collect 10 PUs; end with 12 PUs
            Objective 1: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 17 PUs
            Objective 2: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 22 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians : 2,00
    British : -0,67

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Yes, I checked that as well. There’s no connection to IPC values at all. The formula is just the number of territories controlled at that start of the Chinese turn divided by 2 (unsure if it’s rounded up or down).

You’re right:

“The Chinese army represented in the game does not receive IPCs for income or use IPCs to generate new units. Instead,
China gets one new infantry unit per turn for every two Chinese territories that are not under Axis control during the
Purchase Units phase of the U.S. player’s turn.”

Soo… it doesn’t matter what you conquer (in terms of IPCs and purchases). What you start your turn with is what generates units.

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II v3 1941, version: 1.7

Game History

Round: 2

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 2 armour, 1 fighter and 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 0 techTokens;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Libya to 7 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Germany to 7 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 7 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 5 Sea Zone to 7 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Balkans to 7 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Poland to 7 Sea Zone
            3 infantry moved from Poland to Bulgaria Romania
            1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Karelia S.S.R.
                  Germans take Karelia S.S.R. from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Belorussia
                  Germans take Belorussia from Russians
            1 armour moved from Baltic States to Bulgaria Romania
            1 infantry moved from Baltic States to East Poland
            1 armour moved from Baltic States to Eastern Ukraine
                  Germans take Eastern Ukraine from Russians
            4 armour moved from Baltic States to East Poland
            2 artilleries moved from Baltic States to East Poland
            1 transport moved from 15 Sea Zone to 14 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Libya to 14 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 14 Sea Zone to 15 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 15 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan
                  Germans take Trans-Jordan from British
            1 armour moved from Egypt to French Equatorial Africa
                  Germans take Anglo-Egypt Sudan from British
                  Germans take French Equatorial Africa from British
            1 armour moved from Egypt to Italian Africa
                  Germans take Italian Africa from British
            1 artillery moved from Egypt to Anglo-Egypt Sudan

Combat - Germans
            Battle in 7 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 bomber, 5 fighters and 2 submarines
                British defend with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters and 2 transports
                    Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 7 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 5 fighters in 7 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 3,17 expected hits

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans : -0,83

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Can you give an OOL for the Channel fleet? I posted the 1st round of combat.

Sure, will post in a bit. But of course it depends on your roll how long this battle will last :p

BTW I had already posted my 1st combat round in the first post. Since my subs had missed I will assume that I can apply “Maximize defense in general”

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v3 1941, version: 1.7

Game History

Round: 2

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 2 armour, 1 fighter and 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 0 techTokens;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Libya to 7 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Germany to 7 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 7 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 5 Sea Zone to 7 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Balkans to 7 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Poland to 7 Sea Zone
            3 infantry moved from Poland to Bulgaria Romania
            1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Karelia S.S.R.
                  Germans take Karelia S.S.R. from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Belorussia
                  Germans take Belorussia from Russians
            1 armour moved from Baltic States to Bulgaria Romania
            1 infantry moved from Baltic States to East Poland
            1 armour moved from Baltic States to Eastern Ukraine
                  Germans take Eastern Ukraine from Russians
            4 armour moved from Baltic States to East Poland
            2 artilleries moved from Baltic States to East Poland
            1 transport moved from 15 Sea Zone to 14 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Libya to 14 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 14 Sea Zone to 15 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 15 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan
                  Germans take Trans-Jordan from British
            1 armour moved from Egypt to French Equatorial Africa
                  Germans take Anglo-Egypt Sudan from British
                  Germans take French Equatorial Africa from British
            1 armour moved from Egypt to Italian Africa
                  Germans take Italian Africa from British
            1 artillery moved from Egypt to Anglo-Egypt Sudan

Combat - Germans
            Battle in 7 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 bomber, 5 fighters and 2 submarines
                British defend with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters and 2 transports
                    Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 7 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 5 fighters in 7 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 3,17 expected hits
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British
                    British roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters and 2 transports in 7 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 3,00 expected hits
                    2 destroyers owned by the British and 2 submarines owned by the Germans lost in 7 Sea Zone
                    Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 5 fighters in 7 Sea Zone, round 3 : 5/6 hits, 3,17 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 fighters and 2 transports in 7 Sea Zone, round 3 : 3/4 hits, 2,33 expected hits
                    1 transport owned by the British, 3 fighters owned by the Germans, 1 battleship owned by the British, 2 fighters owned by the British and 1 carrier owned by the British lost in 7 Sea Zone
                    1 transport owned by the British lost in 7 Sea Zone
                Germans win with 1 bomber and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 42
                Casualties for Germans: 3 fighters and 2 submarines
                Casualties for British: 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters and 2 transports
            Battle in Bulgaria Romania
                Germans attack with 1 armour and 3 infantry
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 3 infantry in Bulgaria Romania, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Bulgaria Romania, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Bulgaria Romania
                Germans win, taking Bulgaria Romania from Russians with 1 armour and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in East Poland
                Germans attack with 4 armour, 2 artilleries and 1 infantry
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 4 armour, 2 artilleries and 1 infantry in East Poland, round 2 : 1/7 hits, 3,00 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in East Poland, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in East Poland
                Germans win, taking East Poland from Russians with 4 armour and 2 artilleries remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 bomber moved from 7 Sea Zone to Germany
            1 infantry moved from Germany to France
            2 fighters moved from 7 Sea Zone to Germany
            5 infantry moved from Germany to Poland

Place Units - Germans
            2 armour, 1 fighter and 7 infantry placed in Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 41 PUs; end with 41 PUs
            Objective 1: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 46 PUs
            Objective 3: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 51 PUs
            Objective 2: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 56 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans : 0,00
    British : -0,33
    Russians : 0,33

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There wasn’t any funny business regarding subs and what not  :-) I sacrificed your destroyers 1st round but sacrificed my subs at the same time.