Retreating from a combined amphibious assault and land attack. Is it possible?

@genken Thank you very much Panther & Taamvan…

@panther
Ah yes, forgot about attacking with a friendly on board.

Lesson: bring a DD along when there are Subs around and you are serious about landing!
Brilliant scenario though.

@techroll42:

Actually, IIRC, there’s a helluva good reason: Mongolia. IIRC Mongolia doesn’t convert if USSR declares war.

Nope.  Only if Russia attacks a Japanese controlled territory bordering Mongolia before Japan does the same.  That means Manchuria almost specifically, but also addresses if Russia were to attempt to liberate Japanese held Chinese territories adjacent to Mongolia.  Note that Japan is free to attack chinese territories occupied by Russian soldiers and that will result in no penalty, as they are chinese (not russia) territories.

There’s absolutely nothing that penalizes either for a state of war between them.  It’s better for Japan if the US can’t land bombers in Russia and if the reds don’t reinforce china or india, but there’s NOTHING that prevents Russia from declaring war R1 and freeing movement for themselves (and their allies) on the pac board.

Soviet/Japanese Non Aggression Pact: Due to their mutual border conflct with Japan in 1939, the Soviet Union and Mongolia have a special relationship. If the Japanese attack any Soviet territory that is adjacent to any Mongolian territory, all Mongolian territories (Olgiy, Dzavhan, Tsagaan-Olom, Central Mongolia, Ulaanbaatar, and Buyant-Uhaa) that are still neutral are placed under the control of the Soviet Union at the end of the Japanese Combat Move phase, in the same manner as though the Soviet Union had moved land units into a friendly neutral territory. These territories have Soviet control markers placed on them, and their standing army units are placed on the board and are controlled by the Soviet Union player from then on. This occurs regardless of the state of relations between the Soviet Union and Japan at the time of the attack, with one exception: If the Soviet Union attacks any Japanese-controlled territory bordering these Mongolian territories while Mongolia is still neutral, Mongolia will remain neutral and not ally itself with the Soviet Union. In addition, the Mongolian territories will never become pro-Axis unless one or more of them is attacked by the Soviet Union.

Attacking is different from declaring war.  Japan and Russia are free to declare war on each other without ever attacking each other at any time, over the entire length of the game.

Mike,

First of all, many thanks to you and your friends for defending our country! But if Germany can invade the US, something is wrong!  :-D

Try this US move as a 1st move, it will allow max flexibility for the US to get to SZ91/Gib on Turn 2 or back to Hawaii on Turn 2, depending on if Germany goes for SeaLion or not. Even if they don’t go for SeaLion you can bring max pressure on Germany/Italy if you want. This is of course using the Alpha +2 rules.

USA Turn 1

Builds:

4 Trans, 1 Inf, 1 Arm, 1 NB

Non Coms:

1 Inf, 1 Art from Eus to Trans in SZ101, move to SZ64, drop off in Smx
1 CC in SZ101 to SZ64
1 Mech, 1 Arm from Cus to Smx
2 Inf, 1 Art from Wus to Cus
2 Inf from Haw to Trans in SZ26, move to SZ64, drop off in Smx
1CC, 1DD, 1SS from SZ26 to SZ64
1BB, 1CC, 1DD, 1AC, 1 Trans from SZ10 to SZ64
1 FTR, 1Tac from SZ10 to Eus
1 FTR from Wus to Eus
2 FTR from Haw to SZ64
1 FTR from Phi to Gua
1 DD, 1SS from SZ35 to SZ54
1 SBR from Cus to Wus

Build:

4 Trans in SZ101
1 Inf, 1 Arm in Cus
1 NB in Pan

My friend Hobo Smasher came up w/this.

You’re right.  Partial retreats are not allowed.  The only exception is in amphibious assaults, where air units and land units that arrived by land may retreat, leaving the amphibious units to fight on alone.

I’d have to agree that Kamikazee just makes no sense on offense, in terms of game play.  I believe the idea is to add extra defense to Japan, since they are out numbered 4 to 1 (China, England, ANZAC and America vs Japan).

to Bodeacious:

In strategy B the philipines will be a target in J3. Most US-Players evacuate the plane from the Phillipine Islands.

to Bodeacious/Blitchga:

said before: Do not leave you transport undefended at the coast of French-Indo-China!

BB+CA+DD+DD+SS+SS+CV(2 Planes) is the minimum of ships you have to leave in the Sae zone to prevent an UK first strike.