Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 6 artilleries and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to France 3 armour, 2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France 3 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to France 1 battleship moved from 113 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 103 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 117 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 108 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 124 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 118 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Norway to 111 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Germany to 110 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Germany to 111 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 111 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to 110 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 111 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 111 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Romania to Yugoslavia 1 armour moved from Romania to Yugoslavia 1 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 1 fighter and 2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Yugoslavia 1 armour moved from Poland to Yugoslavia 1 tactical_bomber moved from Poland to Yugoslavia Combat - Germans Battle in France Germans attack with 6 armour, 3 artilleries, 7 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys British defend with 1 armour and 1 artillery; French defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory_major, 1 fighter and 6 infantry Germans captures 19PUs while taking French capital Germans converts factory_major into different units Germans win, taking France from French with 6 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 35 Casualties for Germans: 6 infantry Casualties for French: 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 6 infantry Casualties for British: 1 armour and 1 artillery Battle in Yugoslavia Germans attack with 3 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 9 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Neutral_Allies defend with 5 infantry Germans win, taking Yugoslavia from Neutral_Allies with 3 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 7 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9 Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 5 infantry Battle in 106 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 submarine British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport British win with 1 destroyer and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6 Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Battle in 111 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 2 submarines and 2 tactical_bombers British defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British Germans win with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 18 Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter and 2 submarines Casualties for British: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer Battle in 110 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 2 submarines and 2 tactical_bombers British defend with 1 battleship and 1 cruiser; French defend with 1 cruiser Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans Germans win with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 32 Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines Casualties for British: 1 battleship and 1 cruiser Casualties for French: 1 cruiser Trigger Germans Conquer France: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachment_French_1_Liberation_Switch attached to French triggerFrenchDestroyPUsGermans: Setting destroysPUs to true for playerAttachment attached to French Non Combat Move - Germans 1 fighter moved from Yugoslavia to Southern Italy 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yugoslavia to Southern Italy 3 aaGuns, 3 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary 1 infantry moved from Romania to Bulgaria Germans take Bulgaria from Neutral_Axis 1 infantry moved from Poland to Slovakia Hungary 1 infantry moved from Poland to Slovakia Hungary 1 infantry moved from Norway to Finland Germans take Finland from Neutral_Axis 1 bomber moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany 1 bomber moved from 110 Sea Zone to Western Germany 1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium 1 fighter moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 110 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium 1 transport moved from 114 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Denmark to 113 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Denmark to 113 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 113 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 114 Sea Zone to Poland 1 infantry moved from 114 Sea Zone to Poland 1 infantry moved from Poland to Slovakia Hungary 1 tactical_bomber moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany 1 tactical_bomber moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany Place Units - Germans 6 artilleries and 2 infantry placed in Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 39 PUs; end with 58 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 68 PUsFind League Opponents Thread
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@simon33 said in Find League Opponents Thread:
For the record, oob is also a made up game.
No, it is not. It was a game mass produced and sold through out the World. BM3/4 are House Rules attached to Global 1940. PTV is a made up game.
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lol were you here to see the first one? Berlin had a minor, and there was no complex on Ukraine, I remember that.
Oh, and there was a ridiculous number of planes on the Pacific map and far fewer on the Europe. If I recall correctly, they had to add planes on Europe and take away several on Pacific.
I adapt, to call what you all call “out of the box” (2nd edition), but the way I see it "out of the box: is the first printed, published, produced P40 and G40. You know, that people took… out of the box. That one was the first distributed throughout the world (at least I would assume).
<duck out>
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@gamerman01 said in Find League Opponents Thread:
Berlin had a minor, and there was no complex on Ukraine, I remember that.
This is when it maybe actually made sense to build a major complex most games. In Romania. Oh, and USA could build a major on Norway.
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But I know, I know. 2nd edition was put out the same official way by the same official people.
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OK, sorry 4 posts in a row, but surely some will find this very interesting.
I opened my box, and ANZAC has a MAJOR on NSW.Berlin has a minor, like I said. Let that sink in.
ANZAC has 4 fighters to start.
Germany has 4 fighters, 3 tactical, total 7. (None on Berlin by the way)That’s what I still think of when the term “out of the box” is used. :neutral_face:
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For me OOB stands for any game in the world which you play as found when unsealed, including the rules, no matter which version. No bidding, no house rules. That goes for any A&A version, Shogun, Amerika, etc.
A&A Classic even offers variants in the rule book which would not consider being OOB but a variant.
So I define OOB as original game rules of any version, not the initial version of a game.
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@gamerman01 said in Find League Opponents Thread:
I adapt, to call what you all call “out of the box” (2nd edition), but the way I see it "out of the box: is the first printed, published, produced P40 and G40. You know, that people took… out of the box. That one was the first distributed throughout the world (at least I would assume).
Just to throw my opinion in:
Throughout my presence on this forum I have understood “playing OOB” to be a consensus of playing according to the latest version of the ‘official rules’ of an ‘officially issued’ game, including the latest ‘official “FAQ/Errata” sheets’.
For P40/G40 that would mean the current 2nd Edition rules as published by Renegade.
IMHO in case people don’t agree to that players might or must have different understandings of what “OOB” is, as written rules (sometimes) need interpretation and get clarified over time, maybe even change in nuances. How should anyone buying P/E40-games from Renegade today know what makes their specific (latest) OOB different from the specific OOB in 2012? -
I would say that OOB = 2nd edition + FAQ&Errata.
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And including any clarifications issued by Kreighund.
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@simon33 said in Find League Opponents Thread:
OOB = 2nd edition + FAQ&Errata.
I agree with Panther and Simon33. OOB = 2nd edition + FAQ&Errata.
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Looking for a PtV game (slow paced).
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Right, all of you are right, and I just wasn’t clear on what I meant.
I was not making a judgment on what out of the box should mean. Of course it means the 2nd edition, the latest version to date.
I have the P40 and E40 that was first made available in stores, on my shelf, and those are the boxes I opened many years ago. That is the G40 I first laid eyes on, so that will for ever be the G40 “out of the box” version that I think of every time I hear “out of the box” even though I know that it’s not. Because I never bought 2nd edition, because it’s just a different rulebook and maybe setups.
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Anyone who was there, in 2010 or 2012 or whatever, will enjoy this:
There are not enough tactical bombers in my brand new game, for the game setup!
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Maybe we should move this discussion to another thread.
What really pisses me of that these expensive boxes come with not enough pieces, and some game versions even come without paper money! They save some 50 cents production cost assuming that everyone has money from other A&A versions that they can use. If A&A wasn’t such a great game, that would be enough reason to boycott this board game series.
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No money, and cheap little paper buttons for facilities. First time ever. No resentment here, no. No one will play it with me anyway.
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I’m up for a game, either OOB or BM. Andrew you can PM if you didn’t get your game yet. I’m rusty on OOB, but trying to shake that off.
I think you are all right by the way. All games are, in a sense, made up. But OOB is the original and the one that was designed ‘professionally.’ And the second edition was nicely done despite the balance issues. Its more universally played, at least outside here, and going to be understandably what some people prefer.
But sometimes the professionals do get it wrong as gamerman notes. And occasionally the fan made house rules are actually an improvement on the original, even when the original is good. That is rare, but that is how I feel about BM. As much as second edition fixed things, I do like the changes in BM and I think they are an improvement over the original. Obviously a very subjective position and open to debate.
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@aequitas-et-veritas said in Find League Opponents Thread:
Looking for a PtV game (slow paced).
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meet up in Iowa for a weekend rally? How far are you from De Moines?
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Still looking for a game. Either oob or bm. Tier 1 or up
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@farmboy said in Find League Opponents Thread:
Still looking for a game. Either oob or bm. Tier 1 or up
Oh really? I will play you in BM. I bid 20 for allies.
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Still looking for a PtV game.
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