Find League Opponents Thread

For the record, oob is also a made up game.

@simon33 said in Find League Opponents Thread:

For the record, oob is also a made up game.

No, it is not. It was a game mass produced and sold through out the World. BM3/4 are House Rules attached to Global 1940. PTV is a made up game.

lol were you here to see the first one? Berlin had a minor, and there was no complex on Ukraine, I remember that.

Oh, and there was a ridiculous number of planes on the Pacific map and far fewer on the Europe. If I recall correctly, they had to add planes on Europe and take away several on Pacific.

I adapt, to call what you all call “out of the box” (2nd edition), but the way I see it "out of the box: is the first printed, published, produced P40 and G40. You know, that people took… out of the box. That one was the first distributed throughout the world (at least I would assume).

<duck out>

@gamerman01 said in Find League Opponents Thread:

Berlin had a minor, and there was no complex on Ukraine, I remember that.

This is when it maybe actually made sense to build a major complex most games. In Romania. Oh, and USA could build a major on Norway.

But I know, I know. 2nd edition was put out the same official way by the same official people.

OK, sorry 4 posts in a row, but surely some will find this very interesting.
I opened my box, and ANZAC has a MAJOR on NSW.

Berlin has a minor, like I said. Let that sink in.

ANZAC has 4 fighters to start.
Germany has 4 fighters, 3 tactical, total 7. (None on Berlin by the way)

That’s what I still think of when the term “out of the box” is used. :neutral_face:

For me OOB stands for any game in the world which you play as found when unsealed, including the rules, no matter which version. No bidding, no house rules. That goes for any A&A version, Shogun, Amerika, etc.

A&A Classic even offers variants in the rule book which would not consider being OOB but a variant.

So I define OOB as original game rules of any version, not the initial version of a game.

@gamerman01 said in Find League Opponents Thread:

I adapt, to call what you all call “out of the box” (2nd edition), but the way I see it "out of the box: is the first printed, published, produced P40 and G40. You know, that people took… out of the box. That one was the first distributed throughout the world (at least I would assume).

Just to throw my opinion in:

Throughout my presence on this forum I have understood “playing OOB” to be a consensus of playing according to the latest version of the ‘official rules’ of an ‘officially issued’ game, including the latest ‘official “FAQ/Errata” sheets’.

For P40/G40 that would mean the current 2nd Edition rules as published by Renegade.
IMHO in case people don’t agree to that players might or must have different understandings of what “OOB” is, as written rules (sometimes) need interpretation and get clarified over time, maybe even change in nuances. How should anyone buying P/E40-games from Renegade today know what makes their specific (latest) OOB different from the specific OOB in 2012?

I would say that OOB = 2nd edition + FAQ&Errata.

And including any clarifications issued by Kreighund.

@simon33 said in Find League Opponents Thread:

OOB = 2nd edition + FAQ&Errata.

I agree with Panther and Simon33. OOB = 2nd edition + FAQ&Errata.

Looking for a PtV game (slow paced).
Please PM me.

Right, all of you are right, and I just wasn’t clear on what I meant.

I was not making a judgment on what out of the box should mean. Of course it means the 2nd edition, the latest version to date.

I have the P40 and E40 that was first made available in stores, on my shelf, and those are the boxes I opened many years ago. That is the G40 I first laid eyes on, so that will for ever be the G40 “out of the box” version that I think of every time I hear “out of the box” even though I know that it’s not. Because I never bought 2nd edition, because it’s just a different rulebook and maybe setups.

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Anyone who was there, in 2010 or 2012 or whatever, will enjoy this:

There are not enough tactical bombers in my brand new game, for the game setup!

Maybe we should move this discussion to another thread.

What really pisses me of that these expensive boxes come with not enough pieces, and some game versions even come without paper money! They save some 50 cents production cost assuming that everyone has money from other A&A versions that they can use. If A&A wasn’t such a great game, that would be enough reason to boycott this board game series.

No money, and cheap little paper buttons for facilities. First time ever. No resentment here, no. No one will play it with me anyway.

I’m up for a game, either OOB or BM. Andrew you can PM if you didn’t get your game yet. I’m rusty on OOB, but trying to shake that off.

I think you are all right by the way. All games are, in a sense, made up. But OOB is the original and the one that was designed ‘professionally.’ And the second edition was nicely done despite the balance issues. Its more universally played, at least outside here, and going to be understandably what some people prefer.

But sometimes the professionals do get it wrong as gamerman notes. And occasionally the fan made house rules are actually an improvement on the original, even when the original is good. That is rare, but that is how I feel about BM. As much as second edition fixed things, I do like the changes in BM and I think they are an improvement over the original. Obviously a very subjective position and open to debate.

@aequitas-et-veritas said in Find League Opponents Thread:

Looking for a PtV game (slow paced).
Please PM me.

@gamerman01

meet up in Iowa for a weekend rally? How far are you from De Moines?

Still looking for a game. Either oob or bm. Tier 1 or up

@farmboy said in Find League Opponents Thread:

Still looking for a game. Either oob or bm. Tier 1 or up

Oh really? I will play you in BM. I bid 20 for allies.