I spent quite a bit of time looking at this.
If either of you doesnāt accept my answer, thatās fine because Iām next opponent. I will select a different top player to adjudicate this if my decision is not accepted.
My take is the same whether I was in this tournament or not. I think it is the opinion a common-sense objective bystander would share.
Facts and considerations I highlight:
ABH was very polite and patient and careful to document the process throughout.
General Disarray clearly gave his decision on what should be lost. Save carriers and planes until last, and let a maximum of 1 plane fall in the water if there is a retreat
ABH kept confirming this
General Disarray apparently did not look at the map
ABH typed out all the units that were taken off and left on the board. If you look at this carefully, you see he didnāt lose a single sub. I donāt think General D noticed.
ABH didnāt quite understand the OOL description and took off a plane when the damaged carrier could have been lost
The fact that General D chose to damage a carrier in the opening round seems to be inconsistent with saving all carriers and fighters til last
The common-sense opinion of an objective bystander is that if General D were present and playing with you face to face on a board, heād NEVER have taken off his last destroyer when you were saving all subs
@GeneralDisarray said in L25 Playoff OOB GeneralDisarray (X) V ABH (A) Bid 50:
I cant see the file. I wish I knew what i hit on the crack back. I just want the best outcome of AC and plane and tac units left without falling into the water if you retreat
ABH obliged by typing out the results, and General D responded, apparently consenting for things to continue as they were.
@GeneralDisarray said in L25 Playoff OOB GeneralDisarray (X) V ABH (A) Bid 50:
@Arthur-Bomber-Harris keep the planes and ac till last. Just make sure thereās never a moment you can retreat and the outcome is me losing more than one plane.
I havenāt studied who got better dice. If I wasnāt in the tournament, I would strongly suggest that you agree to go to the moment when General D said āI wish I knew what I hit on the crack backā
With all love and respect for 2 awesome players in the league, both of you contributed to this problem.
When there is a casualty choice, play should stop and the other player open up the map, study the situation and make his choice. Casualty choices should be specific and exact, round by round. Obviously, players get in the habit of facilitating things by giving advance Order of Loss, or saying āsave my bombers until lastā, but in a mixed fleet battle, General D apparently forgot to say, or assumed it was obvious, āsave 1 destroyer if you have a bunch of subsā
But in a big mixed fleet battle, just as ABH warned in advance, this is a big battle and we want to do this right. Since General D repeatedly and clearly said āsave carriers and planes, I just donāt want planes splashing in the event of a retreatā, ABH be like, well, thatās crazy, but you said it 3 times.
Back to my opinion. Return to the point where ABH took off only carriers and destroyers, and zero subs, and roll from there.
I can understand if there are strong objections to that, especially if dice went crazy before or after, but if I was a non-caring observer who didnāt know the dice, thatās what I would say.
That said, if players agree, you can do it however you agree, which might for example include starting over from the beginning. Shoot if you can agree on a fair ending result, bypassing all dice, that would be acceptable as well but you probably canāt do that.
I know full well that General D kept giving the same orders that I would interpret the same way as ABH. Lose the last destroyer before any carriers. But I stand by the conclusion that although I donāt think either of you handled this properly, especially if General D wasnāt looking at a map, thereās no way the General would take off his last destroyer if he was facing off against you across the board so thatās obviously not what he meant to happen.
