League General Discussion Thread

Sigh - looking at this I see, even though I thought about it while determining my Turn, I forgot to post the Combat Move. I guess it is going to take me some time to get that habit ingrained. Luckily no game freezes so no edits.

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 4

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition

Game History

Round: 4 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 1 destroyer, 6 infantry and 6 submarines; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hopei Japanese take Hopei from Chinese 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hunan Japanese take Hunan from Chinese 1 infantry moved from French Indo China to Kwangsi 1 fighter moved from French Indo China to Kweichow 1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to Kweichow 2 bombers moved from French Indo China to India 1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to Kweichow 1 fighter moved from French Indo China to Kwangsi 1 fighter moved from 37 Sea Zone to Shan State 1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone 3 tactical_bombers moved from 6 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone 5 fighters moved from 6 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to Kwangsi 1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to Shan State 1 fighter moved from 37 Sea Zone to Kwangsi 1 infantry moved from Sumatra to 41 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 41 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to Shan State 1 battleship moved from 41 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone Combat - Japanese Strategic bombing raid in India UK_Pacific roll AA dice in India : 1/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 bomber owned by the Japanese killed by AA in India Bombing raid in India rolls: 5 and causes: 5 damage to unit: factory_major Bombing raid in India causes 5 damage total. Battle in 46 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 submarine ANZAC defend with 1 transport 1 transport owned by the ANZAC lost in 46 Sea Zone Japanese win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport Battle in Kweichow Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers British defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Kweichow, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kweichow, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Kweichow Japanese win, taking Kweichow from Chinese with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Battle in Kwangsi Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Chinese defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Kwangsi, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kwangsi, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Kwangsi Japanese win, taking Kwangsi from Chinese with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Battle in Shan State Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber British defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship in Shan State, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 infantry in Shan State, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Shan State Japanese win, taking Shan State from UK_Pacific with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Battle in 25 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 5 fighters, 1 submarine and 3 tactical_bombers Americans defend with 1 destroyer Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 25 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 5 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers in 25 Sea Zone, round 2 : 4/8 hits, 4.50 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 25 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 25 Sea Zone Japanese win with 5 fighters, 1 submarine and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer Non Combat Move - Japanese 1 bomber moved from India to French Indo China 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Kweichow to French Indo China 1 fighter moved from Kwangsi to 37 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Kwangsi to French Indo China 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to French Indo China 1 fighter moved from Shan State to 37 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Shan State to French Indo China 2 destroyers moved from 41 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 5 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 25 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe 1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to 37 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 37 Sea Zone to French Indo China 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to Malaya Place Units - Japanese 3 infantry placed in French Indo China 3 infantry placed in Kiangsu 1 destroyer and 6 submarines placed in 6 Sea Zone Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 57 PUs; end with 58 PUs Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : -0.67 Americans regular : -0.33 Japanese regular : -0.17 UK_Pacific AA : 0.67 UK_Pacific regular : -0.33

Savegame

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@surfer

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Game History

Round: 7 Research Technology - Germans Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 1 armour, 1 artillery, 13 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 2 bombers moved from Western Germany to Russia 1 fighter moved from Smolensk to Russia 1 fighter moved from Leningrad to Russia Combat - Germans Air Battle in Russia Germans attacks with 4 units heading to Russia Air Battle is over, the remaining bombers go on to their targets Strategic bombing raid in Russia Russians roll AA dice in Russia : 1/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 bomber owned by the Germans killed by AA in Russia Bombing raid in Russia rolls: 7 and causes: 7 damage to unit: factory_major Bombing raid in Russia causes 7 damage total. Cleaning up after air battles Non Combat Move - Germans 1 fighter moved from Russia to Leningrad 1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Russia to Smolensk 3 infantry moved from Novgorod to Smolensk 1 infantry moved from Vologda to Novgorod 1 artillery moved from Leningrad to Vyborg 2 infantry moved from Vyborg to Finland 1 submarine moved from 108 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 94 Sea Zone to 85 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 115 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone 1 aaGun moved from France to Western Germany 1 aaGun moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France 1 aaGun moved from Normandy Bordeaux to France 1 fighter moved from Normandy Bordeaux to France 4 armour and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Rostov to Southern Caucasus 1 aaGun, 2 artilleries and 12 infantry moved from Rostov to Ukraine 1 artillery moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine 1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Leningrad 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Romania to Northern Italy 1 artillery moved from Romania to Yugoslavia 1 carrier and 1 destroyer moved from 94 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 99 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 94 Sea Zone to Gibraltar 1 transport moved from 94 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 94 Sea Zone to 100 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Southern France to France 1 destroyer moved from 118 Sea Zone to 116 Sea Zone Place Units - Germans 1 infantry placed in Normandy Bordeaux 3 infantry placed in Romania 3 infantry placed in Leningrad 1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in France 1 armour, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Western Germany 2 transports placed in 116 Sea Zone Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 50 PUs; end with 50 PUs Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 53 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 58 PUs Objective Germans 7 Control of Balkans: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 61 PUs Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 66 PUs Objective Germans 2 Control Stalingrad Or Leningrad Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 71 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Russians AA : 0.67

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Game History

Round: 11 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 3 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 1 fighter moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Japan to 19 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Manchuria to 19 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 37 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone Japanese take 20 Sea Zone from Americans 1 submarine moved from 37 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone 1 mech_infantry moved from Anhwe to Hunan Japanese take Hunan from Chinese 1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Burma 1 armour moved from Yunnan to Burma 1 mech_infantry moved from Yunnan to Szechwan Japanese take Szechwan from Chinese 1 armour moved from Yunnan to Burma 1 submarine moved from 72 Sea Zone to 71 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 80 Sea Zone to 72 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 39 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone 3 fighters moved from French Indo China to India 1 bomber moved from French Indo China to India 1 bomber moved from French Indo China to India 1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to India 1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to India 1 infantry moved from Malaya to 37 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Malaya to 37 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 37 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 37 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Java to Sumatra 1 fighter moved from Java to Sumatra 1 tactical_bomber moved from Java to Sumatra 1 fighter moved from Java to Sumatra 1 battleship moved from 37 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone 1 battleship moved from 37 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 41 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from 39 Sea Zone to India 1 infantry moved from 39 Sea Zone to India 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra 1 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra 1 fighter moved from Java to 39 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Java to 39 Sea Zone 4 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 37 Sea Zone to India 1 mech_infantry moved from Kweichow to Burma 1 fighter moved from 37 Sea Zone to Burma Combat - Japanese Battle in 41 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 submarine and 1 transport ANZAC defend with 1 transport Japanese win with 1 submarine and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport Battle in 6 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 fighter Americans defend with 3 submarines and 1 transport 3 submarines owned by the Americans submerged Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Americans: 1 transport Battle in 19 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 submarine Americans defend with 3 submarines Americans and Japanese reach a stalemate . Battle score for attacker is -2 Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer and 1 submarine Casualties for Americans: 2 submarines Battle in Sumatra Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers ANZAC defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry Japanese win, taking Sumatra from ANZAC with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for ANZAC: 1 artillery and 1 infantry Battle in Burma Japanese attack with 2 armour, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry British defend with 2 infantry Japanese win, taking Burma from UK_Pacific with 2 armour and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry Casualties for British: 2 infantry Battle in India Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 7 fighters, 1 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers British defend with 3 armour, 4 fighters, 1 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys; UK_Pacific defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour Japanese destroys 5PUs while taking UK_Pacific capital Japanese win, taking India from UK_Pacific with 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 3 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 30 Casualties for Japanese: 4 fighters and 1 infantry Casualties for British: 3 armour, 4 fighters, 1 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys Non Combat Move - Japanese 1 infantry moved from French Indo China to Yunnan 1 fighter moved from Burma to French Indo China 1 bomber moved from India to French Indo China 1 bomber moved from India to French Indo China 1 carrier moved from 37 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 37 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 37 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 39 Sea Zone to Ceylon 1 fighter moved from 39 Sea Zone to Ceylon 1 carrier moved from 37 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 37 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 37 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Sumatra to 41 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Sumatra to 41 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Sumatra to 41 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Sumatra to 41 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Yunnan 1 fighter moved from India to 39 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Yunnan 1 fighter moved from India to Yunnan 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to 39 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to 39 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from India to Yunnan 1 armour moved from Hopei to Kweichow 1 mech_infantry moved from Chahar to Hopei 1 mech_infantry moved from Manchuria to Anhwe 1 mech_infantry moved from Manchuria to Chahar 1 fighter moved from 19 Sea Zone to Manchuria 1 fighter moved from 19 Sea Zone to Manchuria 1 fighter moved from 6 Sea Zone to Japan 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone Place Units - Japanese 1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Manchuria 1 carrier and 1 destroyer placed in 37 Sea Zone 1 fighter placed in 37 Sea Zone 3 infantry placed in French Indo China Turn Complete - Japanese Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 10 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 43 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,1 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 19 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,4 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 6 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,1,3,6,1,2 Japanese collect 47 PUs (10 lost to blockades); end with 50 PUs Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 55 PUs

Again sorry, and you are totally within your right to be upset. Although, truth be told, as a guy who follows the rules and wants other people to follow the rules too, I cannot properly express to you how upset I was when presented with this situation. When I realized I had lost the file I was like “Oh crap! How am I going to fix this without doing an Edit!?!?!” Embarrassment City.

This was not something I wanted to present to you but I could think of no way of getting you a completed Turn without doing the edit.

As for the edit itself, hopefully, and I do think you feel this way too, you realize it was just an accident and not done purposefully. Unfortunately, I have trained myself to save the game after I post it and when I couldn’t post due to the site not working, I just didn’t override my habit and save the game. I was like, I will come back and try to post again later, and then I ended up being busy and never came back. In addition, I am bad at closing my computer down every night. I leave it up for days at a time and since all my other programs, Word, Excel, Chrome, come right back up if the system reboots, I am never punished for this poor behavior. Of course, in this case TripleA does not have that feature.

Hopefully, since this was a very easy Russian Turn and since the site was having issues, you do see it was accidental. It would be awfully coincidental that the one night the site wasn’t allowing posting that was also the same night I made some error I wanted to fix that required the edit. Having said that, it does not remove the possibility, and that is what we are talking about. Transparency. After all, maybe I decided to change my build? Maybe I placed my units and realized I forgot to move somebody? No matter how easy a Turn looks there is always a possibility for an error.

Which brings me to your comment about my edit policy stinking. You are right, to a degree. (More on this below) This was something I didn’t consider when I started to implement the more stringent Playoff Edit policy. What happens if the computer freezes during a Turn? What happens if the program tanks? I had not considered that. And at first, I was thinking, after this debacle, that “Hey Andrew, you need to save every time combat is over to make sure if the file gets lost or corrupted you can restore the game without an edit.” But upon thinking about this more and more I realize the entire way virtually everyone on this site posts is incorrect.

What do we all do? We take the end Turn file and use it for our Turn. Unless there are combat questions, like OOL or scrambling, we conduct the entire Turn and then send the end Turn file. But what if there is a computer freeze? We all trust our opponent to reconstruct the Turn with edits, if combat occurred, and move on. But, do we really know it is the same Turn? After all, we did not see anything that occurred except for combat rolls. The more I considered this it occurred to me it is not enough to save the game after combat so if the game freezes I can reconstruct it without edits because what if it freezes DURING combat rolls. I don’t know about you but I remember at least twice this happening to me. This does open up an interesting path I had not previously thought of.

Consider this. I have X number of battles. Two of them are dependent on each other, as in I expect to win battle A, but if for some reason I lose battle A then I really don’t want to conduct battle B. So, I roll battle A, then if something goes horribly wrong, I turn off the game and reload the Turn but with a different Combat Move and only reconstruct the actual battle that I rolled. I am not saying people are doing this, but the way we post does allow for this contingency. What we should be doing, I now realize, is post at the end of the Combat Move, and then save and/or post after Combat and then post the end of the Turn. This way, as far as I can see, there is no way to lose the game and not have full transparency to your opponent if any edits are required to reconstruct the game.

Therefore, I am going to start posting end of Combat Moves and I would ask you, and my other opponents, to do the same. In addition, I am going to save the game after every combat phase so I would only have to edit combat if the game froze during combat rolls and only then.

Please realize I am not accusing you or any other opponent of doing this. But as Ronald Reagan said “Trust, but verify.”

@FranceNeedsMorePower

FYI, you should also post the file when you ask for scramble/intercept requests. Your Combat Move is essentially “locked in” at this point, and cannot change.

You can do the Post to Forum as we discussed earlier, or save the file and upload it. Either works.

Casualty selection?

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