Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 6 artilleries and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to France 3 armour, 2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France 3 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to France 1 battleship moved from 113 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 103 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 117 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 108 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 124 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 118 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Norway to 111 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Germany to 110 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Germany to 111 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 111 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to 110 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 111 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 111 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Romania to Yugoslavia 1 armour moved from Romania to Yugoslavia 1 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 1 fighter and 2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Yugoslavia 1 armour moved from Poland to Yugoslavia 1 tactical_bomber moved from Poland to Yugoslavia Combat - Germans Battle in France Germans attack with 6 armour, 3 artilleries, 7 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys British defend with 1 armour and 1 artillery; French defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory_major, 1 fighter and 6 infantry Germans captures 19PUs while taking French capital Germans converts factory_major into different units Germans win, taking France from French with 6 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 35 Casualties for Germans: 6 infantry Casualties for French: 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 6 infantry Casualties for British: 1 armour and 1 artillery Battle in Yugoslavia Germans attack with 3 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 9 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Neutral_Allies defend with 5 infantry Germans win, taking Yugoslavia from Neutral_Allies with 3 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 7 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9 Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 5 infantry Battle in 106 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 submarine British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport British win with 1 destroyer and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6 Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Battle in 111 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 2 submarines and 2 tactical_bombers British defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British Germans win with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 18 Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter and 2 submarines Casualties for British: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer Battle in 110 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 2 submarines and 2 tactical_bombers British defend with 1 battleship and 1 cruiser; French defend with 1 cruiser Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans Germans win with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 32 Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines Casualties for British: 1 battleship and 1 cruiser Casualties for French: 1 cruiser Trigger Germans Conquer France: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachment_French_1_Liberation_Switch attached to French triggerFrenchDestroyPUsGermans: Setting destroysPUs to true for playerAttachment attached to French Non Combat Move - Germans 1 fighter moved from Yugoslavia to Southern Italy 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yugoslavia to Southern Italy 3 aaGuns, 3 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary 1 infantry moved from Romania to Bulgaria Germans take Bulgaria from Neutral_Axis 1 infantry moved from Poland to Slovakia Hungary 1 infantry moved from Poland to Slovakia Hungary 1 infantry moved from Norway to Finland Germans take Finland from Neutral_Axis 1 bomber moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany 1 bomber moved from 110 Sea Zone to Western Germany 1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium 1 fighter moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 110 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium 1 transport moved from 114 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Denmark to 113 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Denmark to 113 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 113 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 114 Sea Zone to Poland 1 infantry moved from 114 Sea Zone to Poland 1 infantry moved from Poland to Slovakia Hungary 1 tactical_bomber moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany 1 tactical_bomber moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany Place Units - Germans 6 artilleries and 2 infantry placed in Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 39 PUs; end with 58 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 68 PUsLeague General Discussion Thread
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@dawgoneit everyone starts high anyways. don’t they?
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@farmboy said in League General Discussion Thread:
@Amon-Sul I think whoever does it first gets to bid first.
Oh yes, higher seed gets to bid first.
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@Pejon_88 said in League General Discussion Thread:
@trulpen @gamerman01 I suppose the most fair way to solve this when players disagree is to simply toss a coin between the versions? As long as there is more than one version played in the League throughout the season this is the most fair solution in my opinion.
No, the league rules establish that the G40 2nd edition rules are the default. The default may only be modified by agreement of both players. So if players don’t agree, it has to be G40 2nd edition. See league rule #4
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I agree about BM (BM4?) should be the default game for the 2021 league.
But I still think P2V should have its own rankings and playoffs. The differences are too much.
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There are indeed many huge differences going to P2V. I’ll keep tracking P2V results so that they could be separated if need be, later in the year… Unfortunately it’s too hard to tell at this point whether they should be separated yet… Let’s see how many are finished in January or maybe even February and re-assess…
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As for default game, I think it has to be the version that’s available to the world outside this site (out of the box version, basically) - we have very few players who refuse to play “balanced mod”, although of course it does happen, and I think it’s the way it should be… Makes more sense to force someone to play the “public” version than to force someone to play a mod, even if 95% of players only play that mod on this forum. It’s not welcoming to potential newcomers if they have to learn a different version of the game than they’ve been playing.
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@simon33 said in League General Discussion Thread:
I agree about BM (BM4?) should be the default game for the 2021 league.
But I still think P2V should have its own rankings and playoffs. The differences are too much.
i agree
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@gamerman01 said in League General Discussion Thread:
As for default game, I think it has to be the version that’s available to the world outside this site (out of the box version, basically) - we have very few players who refuse to play “balanced mod”, although of course it does happen, and I think it’s the way it should be… Makes more sense to force someone to play the “public” version than to force someone to play a mod, even if 95% of players only play that mod on this forum. It’s not welcoming to potential newcomers if they have to learn a different version of the game than they’ve been playing.
i agree
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But how many players start playing the league expecting to get into the playoffs in the first year? I certainly didn’t, didn’t even enter my mind. I just wanted to play.
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@gamerman01 said in League General Discussion Thread:
@farmboy said in League General Discussion Thread:
@Amon-Sul I think whoever does it first gets to bid first.
Oh yes, higher seed gets to bid first.
Just so I am clear higher seed means the higher number? So 7th seed versus 2nd seed the 7th seed would bid first. Correct?
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no, other way around. higher seed means higher placed seed.
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@gamerman01 said in League General Discussion Thread:
As for default game, I think it has to be the version that’s available to the world outside this site (out of the box version, basically) - we have very few players who refuse to play “balanced mod”, although of course it does happen, and I think it’s the way it should be… Makes more sense to force someone to play the “public” version than to force someone to play a mod, even if 95% of players only play that mod on this forum. It’s not welcoming to potential newcomers if they have to learn a different version of the game than they’ve been playing.
I completely disagree with this. All leagues of all kinds have their own rules. Playing in the league means you play by the league rules. As an example, you could say American football is a game with defined OOB rules. But every league out there has their own version of it. From kids to college to XFL to NFL. Rules arent defined by some accepted OOB format but by what the league decides.
The community that plays on this site is the league and is responsible for making rules that the league wants to play with. There is zero reason that has to be anything other than what the community wants. If someone wants to participate in the league, then they should be willing to adopt the rules of the league whether thats the actual rules of the game, definition of the league, bidding, disagreement handling, etc.
Most of the players in the top tier said they had no interest in playing OOB and would rather pass on the playoffs then be forced into playing it. To me that means there is a problem.
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@ksmckay said in League General Discussion Thread:
no, other way around. higher seed means higher placed seed.
Okay - so the lower number and higher seed bids first. Thanks!
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@gamerman01 said in League General Discussion Thread:
As for default game, I think it has to be the version that’s available to the world outside this site (out of the box version, basically) - we have very few players who refuse to play “balanced mod”, although of course it does happen, and I think it’s the way it should be… Makes more sense to force someone to play the “public” version than to force someone to play a mod, even if 95% of players only play that mod on this forum. It’s not welcoming to potential newcomers if they have to learn a different version of the game than they’ve been playing.
Actually, I don’t agree.
The default should be what is prefered by the players active in the league. The definition of what is prefered would logically have to be based on ratios and a majority context.
Of course, if there were like 50:50 or even 60:40 between the versions, OOB could very well still be considered as the rational choice of default. When it is perhaps 98:2 it simply doesn’t make sense.
The league is for the players participating, not for a non-defined world community. A player that enters the league has some initial learning to do anyway and eventually trying out BM3 will most likely be benificial for the ongoing playing experience.
That’s how I started anyway. Checked out the league. Seemed fun, so enlisted. My first 2 or 3 games were OOB and I was pretty sceptical about BM3 at first, but tried it out. Wasn’t convinced immediately, but after a few games I would never go back.
I’ve seen the same progress for quite many players now. Among them my good friend @Pejon_88.
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The BM advocates seem adamant that almost the entire League and certainly the top players prefer BM. Is it really such a big deal then if OOB is default? It’s not like the playoff top dogs would ever want to play OOB so I don’t see the issue.
I’m a low-tier new Leaguer but for the record I agree with Gamer.
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I agree with gamerman01 too
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@Colt45554 Its been an issue in the playoffs the last 2 years minimum and it can easily/likely be an issue this year as well.
Saying it doesn’t matter is like saying all the league rules dont matter because everyone will always agree on what should be done. There is a disagreement in the league and the beginning of the year is the time to deal with it.
Its been said that rules can only be changed at the beginning of the year (despite rule changes being made in the middle of the year) so now is the time to deal with it.
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@Colt45554 said in League General Discussion Thread:
The BM advocates seem adamant that almost the entire League and certainly the top players prefer BM. Is it really such a big deal then if OOB is default? It’s not like the playoff top dogs would ever want to play OOB so I don’t see the issue.
I’m a low-tier new Leaguer but for the record I agree with Gamer.
Sorry to say, but you are wrong.
There’s actually a situation now in the A-playoff were one OOB-route will sort of upset the playoffs.
I’m not carrying any personal grudge, but just stating a fact that one of the eight players strongly prefers OOB and hence will play OOB. The other seven have lost their experience with OOB and will be at a serious disadvantage or even disinterest.
Anyway, this might be ok and acceptable, but not particularly fair since BM3 is the outmost played version among almost all of these players. Some have dabbled in P2V, myself included, but left it for now until it’s in a more stable state.
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gamer has a lot on his plate. i think what he decides should be.
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I think the flip a coin idea if there is a disagreement is the best middle ground between setting BM or OOB as defaults
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