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TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 3

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 3 Research Technology - Germans Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 2 armour, 1 carrier, 6 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Politics - Germans Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Germans To War With Chinese Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Germans To War With Chinese: Changing Relationship for Germans and Chinese from Neutrality to War Combat Move - Germans 1 infantry moved from Romania to Bessarabia Germans take Bessarabia from Russians 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 115 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Gibraltar to 113 Sea Zone 8 artilleries moved from Western Germany to 115 Sea Zone 1 armour moved from Western Germany to 116 Sea Zone 2 armour moved from Western Germany to 115 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Germany to 116 Sea Zone 3 infantry moved from Western Germany to 115 Sea Zone 7 infantry moved from Norway to 115 Sea Zone 2 armour, 8 artilleries, 10 infantry and 10 transports moved from 115 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 116 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 3 armour, 8 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to United Kingdom 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to United Kingdom Combat - Germans Battle in 113 Sea Zone Germans attack with 2 bombers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 11 transports Russians defend with 1 submarine Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 bombers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 11 transports in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Russians lost in 113 Sea Zone Germans win with 2 bombers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 11 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Russians: 1 submarine Battle in United Kingdom Germans attack with 3 armour, 8 artilleries, 3 fighters, 11 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers British defend with 5 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 factory_major, 1 fighter, 1 harbour, 12 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; French defend with 2 infantry British roll AA dice in United Kingdom : 1/5 hits, 0.83 expected hits 1 fighter owned by the Germans lost in United Kingdom Germans roll dice for 3 armour, 8 artilleries, 2 fighters, 11 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in United Kingdom, round 2 : 8/26 hits, 9.67 expected hits British roll dice for 5 aaGuns, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 14 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in United Kingdom, round 2 : 8/17 hits, 6.00 expected hits 8 infantry owned by the Germans lost in United Kingdom 5 aaGuns owned by the British and 3 infantry owned by the British lost in United Kingdom Germans roll dice for 3 armour, 8 artilleries, 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in United Kingdom, round 3 : 7/18 hits, 7.50 expected hits British roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 11 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in United Kingdom, round 3 : 4/14 hits, 5.00 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the Germans and 3 infantry owned by the Germans lost in United Kingdom 2 infantry owned by the French and 5 infantry owned by the British lost in United Kingdom Germans roll dice for 3 armour, 7 artilleries, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in United Kingdom, round 4 : 10/14 hits, 6.17 expected hits British roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in United Kingdom, round 4 : 0/7 hits, 2.67 expected hits 1 mech_infantry owned by the British, 1 artillery owned by the British, 1 fighter owned by the British and 4 infantry owned by the British lost in United Kingdom Germans captures 31PUs while taking British capital Germans converts factory_major into different units Germans win, taking United Kingdom from British with 3 armour, 7 artilleries, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 39 Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 11 infantry Casualties for British: 5 aaGuns, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 12 infantry and 1 mech_infantry Casualties for French: 2 infantry triggerBritishDestroyPUsGermans: Setting destroysPUs to true for playerAttachment attached to British Trigger Germans Conquer London: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachment_Axis_Capture_London_Switch attached to Germans Non Combat Move - Germans Trigger Germans Occupies Southern France Fleet Scuddle: has removed 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer owned by Neutral_Axis in 95 Sea Zone Trigger Germany Syria France Army Disband: has removed 1 infantry owned by Neutral_Axis in Syria Trigger Germany Occupies French West Africa Army Disband: has removed 1 infantry owned by Neutral_Axis in French West Africa Trigger Germans Occupies Southern France Army Disband: has removed 1 artillery and 1 infantry owned by Neutral_Axis in Southern France 1 aaGun and 5 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States 1 aaGun, 5 artilleries and 18 infantry moved from Romania to Eastern Poland 2 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Baltic States 2 armour moved from Germany to Baltic States 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Germany to Baltic States 2 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Eastern Poland 3 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland 2 bombers moved from 113 Sea Zone to Gibraltar 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from United Kingdom to 113 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from United Kingdom to Holland Belgium 1 submarine moved from 115 Sea Zone to 128 Sea Zone 1 aaGun moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France Germans take Southern France from Neutral_Axis 1 aaGun moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux 1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium Place Units - Germans 1 carrier placed in 113 Sea Zone 2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Germany 2 infantry placed in Normandy Bordeaux 4 infantry placed in Germany Trigger Germans Occupies Southern France Army Disband Facilities: has removed 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour owned by Neutral_Axis in Southern France Trigger Germany Occupies Southern France Facilities: Germans has 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour placed in Southern France Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 50 PUs; end with 81 PUs Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 84 PUs Trigger Germans 4 Presence In Egypt: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 89 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 94 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

British AA : 0.17 Russians regular : -0.17 Germans regular : 0.50 British regular : -1.67

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I should’ve sent the other mech I thought about sending into Kwangtung smh lol

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 7

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition

Game History

Round: 7 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 3 fighters, 3 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys and 3 submarines; Remaining resources: 5 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol 1 mech_infantry moved from Buryatia to Yakut S.S.R. Japanese take Yakut S.S.R. from Russians 1 mech_infantry moved from Siberia to Soviet Far East Japanese take Soviet Far East from Russians 2 mech_infantrys moved from Shantung to Chahar 2 fighters moved from Japan to Chahar 1 mech_infantry moved from Kansu to Shensi 1 mech_infantry moved from Hopei to Shensi 2 mech_infantrys moved from Hopei to Kweichow 1 mech_infantry moved from Shantung to Kweichow 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from French Indo China to Yunnan 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to Yunnan 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 42 Sea Zone to Yunnan 1 fighter moved from Philippines to 45 Sea Zone 1 mech_infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Shensi 1 mech_infantry moved from Tsinghai to Szechwan 1 mech_infantry moved from Sikang to Szechwan 2 bombers moved from French Indo China to Szechwan 1 infantry moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 42 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 45 Sea Zone to Dutch New Guinea Combat - Japanese Battle in 45 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 transport ANZAC defend with 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport 1 infantry owned by the ANZAC, 1 artillery owned by the ANZAC and 1 transport owned by the ANZAC lost in 45 Sea Zone Japanese win with 1 fighter and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14 Casualties for ANZAC: 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport Battle in Dutch New Guinea Battle in Kweichow Japanese attack with 3 mech_infantrys Chinese defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 3 mech_infantrys in Kweichow, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kweichow, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 3 mech_infantrys in Kweichow, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kweichow, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 3 mech_infantrys in Kweichow, round 4 : 1/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kweichow, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 mech_infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Kweichow 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Kweichow Japanese win, taking Dutch New Guinea from ANZAC, taking Kweichow from Chinese with 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1 Casualties for Japanese: 1 mech_infantry Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Battle in Chahar Japanese attack with 2 fighters and 2 mech_infantrys Chinese defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 mech_infantrys in Chahar, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Chahar, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 mech_infantrys in Chahar, round 3 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Chahar, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Chahar Japanese win, taking Chahar from Chinese with 2 fighters and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Battle in Szechwan Japanese attack with 2 bombers and 2 mech_infantrys Chinese defend with 1 fighter and 2 infantry Japanese roll dice for 2 bombers and 2 mech_infantrys in Szechwan, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.67 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Szechwan, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits 1 mech_infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Szechwan 2 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Szechwan Japanese roll dice for 2 bombers and 1 mech_infantry in Szechwan, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter in Szechwan, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 mech_infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Szechwan 1 fighter owned by the Chinese lost in Szechwan Japanese win with 2 bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Japanese: 2 mech_infantrys Casualties for Chinese: 1 fighter and 2 infantry Battle in Jehol Japanese attack with 1 artillery and 5 infantry Chinese defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 5 infantry in Jehol, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 1.33 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Jehol, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Jehol Japanese win, taking Jehol from Chinese with 1 artillery and 5 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Battle in Yunnan Japanese attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers British defend with 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry; Chinese defend with 3 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Yunnan, round 2 : 6/8 hits, 3.67 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 armour, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan 1 mech_infantry owned by the British, 3 infantry owned by the Chinese and 1 armour owned by the British lost in Yunnan Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 16 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Casualties for Chinese: 3 infantry Casualties for British: 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry Battle in Shensi Japanese attack with 3 mech_infantrys Chinese defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 3 mech_infantrys in Shensi, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Shensi, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Shensi Japanese win, taking Shensi from Chinese with 3 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Japanese 2 bombers moved from Szechwan to French Indo China 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to 42 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to French Indo China 3 submarines moved from 37 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Sumatra to 41 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 41 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to French Indo China 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Celebes to 44 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 44 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from 36 Sea Zone to French Indo China 2 fighters moved from Chahar to Anhwe 1 mech_infantry moved from Sakha to Manchuria 1 fighter moved from 45 Sea Zone to Philippines 1 carrier moved from 20 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 44 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone Place Units - Japanese 3 submarines placed in 37 Sea Zone 3 infantry placed in French Indo China 3 mech_infantrys placed in Shantung 3 fighters placed in Japan Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 69 PUs; end with 74 PUs Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 79 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : -2.17 Japanese regular : 4.17

Savegame

@TinCanoftheSea

also nice to play you again. any time you want to play again let me no.

I assumed no intercept in Moscow.

TripleA Turn Summary: French round 7

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 7 Purchase Units - ANZAC ANZAC buy 1 fighter; Remaining resources: 6 PUs; Combat Move - ANZAC 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to 64 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 64 Sea Zone to 59 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 59 Sea Zone to Java 1 infantry moved from Anglo-Egyptian Sudan to Ethiopia ANZAC take Ethiopia from Italians Combat - ANZAC Battle in Java Non Combat Move - ANZAC 3 fighters moved from 58 Sea Zone to Eastern India 1 destroyer moved from 55 Sea Zone to 58 Sea Zone 1 marine moved from Queensland to 55 Sea Zone 1 cruiser and 1 marine moved from 55 Sea Zone to 58 Sea Zone 1 marine moved from 58 Sea Zone to Western Australia 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to 64 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 64 Sea Zone to 58 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 58 Sea Zone to Western Australia 1 submarine moved from 64 Sea Zone to 58 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Queensland to 55 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 55 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Queensland to Hawaiian Islands 2 infantry moved from 27 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Dutch New Guinea to New Guinea Place Units - ANZAC 1 fighter placed in New South Wales Turn Complete - ANZAC Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 43 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,6,1,6,5,3,1,2,1,5,3,3,5,4,6,5,4,2,2,6,6,5 ANZAC collect 11 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 17 PUs Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 20 PUs Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 23 PUs Combat Move - French Non Combat Move - French 1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Morocco Turn Complete - French

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Territory Summary for ANZAC and French :

Hawaiian Islands : 1 fighter and 2 infantry United Kingdom : 2 infantry Egypt : 1 infantry Eastern India : 3 fighters Ethiopia : 1 flag, 1 infantry Western Australia : 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 marine New Guinea : 1 artillery and 1 infantry New South Wales : 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter and 1 harbour Queensland : 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 harbour and 2 infantry New Zealand : 1 airfield and 1 harbour Morocco : 1 fighter Java : 1 flag, 1 infantry 83 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer Dutch New Guinea : 1 flag 59 Sea Zone : 1 transport 58 Sea Zone : 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport 27 Sea Zone : 1 transport

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 61 / 79 Russians : 31 / 36 Japanese : 61 / 72 Americans : 51 / 76 Chinese : 5 / 5 British : 27 / 29 UK_Pacific : 6 / 9 Italians : 19 / 40 ANZAC : 14 / 23 French : 1 / 0 Dutch : 0 / 0 Mongolians : 0 / 0 Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0 Neutral_Allies : 2 / 0 Neutral_True : 20 / 0

Savegame

@VictoryFirst said in L25 G40 OOB Gamerman01 (x) v VictoryFirst (+50):

When and why did you go back to OOB? And who are you playing right now?

To see what people have been playing go to the “player query” tab of the ELO spreadsheet and type in someone’s name. There, you could see that my last BM game finished 8/17/24.

BM was exciting when it came out because it was a variant with a lot of new rules to learn and figure out how to master. Several were very attractive, like making the Japan vs. Russia DOW interesting instead of meaningless. At some point in OOB history, there was a +10 IPC cash infusion to Russia or Japan if the other declared war. It ended up in 2nd edition to just be Mongolia.

BM addressed various areas of OOB that most people didn’t like.
From memory,

US doesn’t make enough money, doesn’t have enough NO’s. A lot of islands with no IPC value ANZAC and India can be squashed by Japan “too easily”. India only making 6 not perceived as enough - people didn’t like unstoppable India Crush. People didn’t like China losing the 6 IPC NO and not being able to get it back and being made more irrelevant. So these changes were all about slowing Japan. The garrison rule in China. Apparently they thought the Med was way under-valued, so put a bunch of NO’s in there Yunnan bid smashed by a rule that Russia can’t go into China until at war.

There’s probably more.

After awhile, I actually realized I liked OOB better.
It’s quite a bit simpler. It just needed a bit bigger bid than the 20 we ended up at when BM was made.
I strongly disagree with all these NO’s in the Med and with the idea that all islands should have income values. Most islands are valuable as landing spaces and places to build bases, even with 0 IPC value. If you follow the IPC value philosophy, then Bessarabia should be worth something.
I don’t like the China garrison rule and nerfing the Burma road to 3. I don’t think more NO’s were needed. I don’t have a problem with a capital being sacked more than once - that’s A&A. I don’t have a problem with OOB treatment of Paris liberation.

Then there’s the fact that OOB is what is played out there, since it’s the standard game.

Your 3rd question,
I have been playing Oysteilo for over 2 years on a single game. It was one of my first coming back to OOB. He did the Yunnan bid, and that and the fact that I suffered a bottom 4% result in Paris has made it a very long slog. We played with a new map skin and were both disoriented for several rounds. It was supposed to be just a fun and crazy - try out a cool new map skin game and quickly turned into a very competitive game.

They’re waiting on me to finally start the 2nd OOB playoff game for 2024. Yeah, 2024.
So I’m probably not really supposed to be taking on any new challenges at all, but finishing an old game is not a new game.