League General Discussion Thread

Jacob16

Much appreciation for everyones patience in our games, I am back now and should be able to post regularly. Just had to make sure I graduated highschool first, lol.

crockett36

Congrats! So glad you are here!

crockett36

@crockett36 I’m back too. Been awol for 3 weeks!

Jacob16

Hi hope everyone is well, Can someone give me a quick reminder on where chinese units are allowed to move in G40 OOB? Can they move into Burma or not is ideally what im asking, or also could they send their fighter to attack burma alone? Thank you to whoever answers.

gamerman01

Any Chinese unit can freely defend or attack Burma or Hong Kong.

China can even take control of these two territories if India is controlled by the Axis

farmboy

@gamerman01 @Jacob16 worth noting to that Chinese units (including the fighter) can move into Burma and Hong Kong before the UK is at war with Japan.

gamerman01

I can’t play in any of my games, so I turn to… statistics.
I figured out some of Roboto’s data and charts.

In the PTV, OOB, BM pinned discussion threads I shared statistics on Axis v Allies win % along with bids, especially the recent data over the past 18 months. Are you bidding enough?

gamerman01

The pie chart of how many games of each version are played is also updated, to show the past 18 months rather than all-time. What are league players playing these days? Go to the statistics tab.

axis-dominion

expected tuv for G was around -32 and instead he scores 138…

peirce

@axis-dominion Your play was superb. Sorry to have had the dice decide the match (that’s why I offered to go LL for the 1-2 combo for those battles - I just wanted to wipe out your ground, since Germany could replenish quickly, and didn’t want it to end the game). Happy to have a rematch some other time. Cheers.

Booper

@axis-dominion

Yeah, sucks and extremely frustrating when it happens. But yourself as one of the top ELO players on these boards, the “rest of us regular folks” have to take extra risk in order to win.

peirce

@axis-dominion Out of curiosity, would you not have done that attack, in my shoes? I had tons of ground units right there to replace German losses, and in any LL scenario, all Russian/US ground units are wiped out, allowing some German air to retreat, taking 100% of the pressure off of Germany. Even if you divert from max D and lose US planes (costly), Russia would still only be left with ~10 tanks next to two stacks of 10+ inf/arty in Austria and Slovakia-Hungary, with another 17 units placed in Germany/W.Germ that turn.

Germany was under pressure, and this removed it completely, with the sole risk being the loss of ground units on Germany’s doorstep (where it had another 40 at the end of this turn, plus whatever air retreated from Yugoslavia). No risk of losing the capital, and Russia’s nearest inf stack was way back in Russia.

I had captured and held London and Sydney several turns prior, and sacked India last turn, and was ahead with TUV, so removing the threat to Germany (at a risk that Germany could easily afford) was the smart play, in my view. It was why I offered to run the battles on LL beforehand - so that dice wouldn’t mess up the game.

It sucks that a brutal dicing ended our game. But wouldn’t you have taken that calculated risk, as Germany?

axis-dominion

i wouldn’t, unless i felt desperate enough and my only chance to win. at -32 tuv average, the chances of getting even worse than that is just too high, not to mention the prior risk you took with all those italian units (if they rolled badly or whiffed, that’s a massive loss right there in vain). even if it went to average, it would relieve some pressure in the short term yes, but allies have a fairly good position and could and only get stronger. as long as i feel i’m winning or have a decent shot at winning, i’d play the patient game and strike when odds were much better. you don’t become the #1 player in the world by taking huge risks in big battles like that. can you beat the #1 player swinging and taking such risks, of course, it’s a dice game after all. but can you get consistent wins and climb to the top and remain there for any sustained period taking such risks? i don’t think so, unless you really are master of luck, which maybe you are? lol

such arguments as yours are similar to those of players like ABH and his game theory, which, no disrespect but will never be a top tier player altho he will occasionally win against a top tier.

if you care to prove me wrong on that, we could change the result to the expected average and see if clearing the allied land units really made that much of a difference to the risks you took.

axis-dominion

@gamerman01 i’m curious, if i had won against peirce vs his beating me, what is the rating difference? ie i see that my rating took a serious nose dive after losing to him thanks to lady luck. i’m guessing if i had won, i’d gain almost nothing from it?

gamerman01

@axis-dominion said in Post League Game Results Here:

if you care to prove me wrong on that, we could change the result to the expected average and see if clearing the allied land units really made that much of a difference to the risks you took.

@peirce This sounds like something to consider.
Of course, if A-D has already formally resigned (I haven’t seen that he has, for sure) then you are under no obligation whatsoever

mikawagunichi

@axis-dominion you can make a copy of the spreadsheet and fill in your own results in the data tab to check this for any 2 players you wish

gamerman01

The thing is, though, @peirce offered low luck, right? And so if the luck had gone against him, then…

So it seems @peirce might agree to continue to prove his statements, but the game result should not be changed, in my view, because he offered the LL, it was turned down, and then he got great luck

gamerman01

@axis-dominion said in Post League Game Results Here:

@gamerman01 i’m curious, if i had won against peirce vs his beating me, what is the rating difference? ie i see that my rating took a serious nose dive after losing to him thanks to lady luck. i’m guessing if i had won, i’d gain almost nothing from it?

I’ll check for you right away.
It’s MrRoboto’s system, I wash my hands, but yes you are at a stratospheric rating and he is up and coming so there’s going to be a big adjustment when that happens

gamerman01

My overall got murdered by a single throw of the dice in a Classic game this year…

You would have been +3
Because you’re ELO is super high
Maybe too high.

axis-dominion

@gamerman01 said in Post League Game Results Here:

The thing is, though, @peirce offered low luck, right? And so if the luck had gone against him, then…

So it seems @peirce might agree to continue to prove his statements, but the game result should not be changed, in my view, because he offered the LL, it was turned down, and then he got great luck

yeah i mean i lost fair and square, so he’s def the winner here. just that if he believes what he says strongly enough, he will back it up with action which in this case is to play from the position of an average outcome and see if he can prove his statements.

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