League General Discussion Thread

Actually, it the COMBAT MOVE Phase I think is most important though doing both is certainly acceptable.

should get to this today. after the blazing fast pace i needed a break lol

thanks for your patience

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 18

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 18 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 3 armour, 2 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Dzavhan Russians take Dzavhan from Japanese 4 infantry moved from Belarus to Novgorod 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Belarus to Novgorod 4 artilleries moved from Belarus to Bryansk 10 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Kweichow to Yunnan Combat - Russians Battle in Yunnan Russians attack with 1 artillery and 4 infantry Japanese defend with 1 aaGun and 2 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 4 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 1.17 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 aaGun and 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 aaGun owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 4 infantry in Yunnan, round 3 : 0/5 hits, 1.17 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 4 infantry in Yunnan, round 4 : 2/5 hits, 1.17 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Yunnan 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan Russians win, taking Yunnan from Japanese with 1 artillery and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Japanese: 1 aaGun and 2 infantry Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Bryansk Russians attack with 4 artilleries and 10 infantry Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 4 artilleries and 10 infantry in Bryansk, round 2 : 4/14 hits, 3.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Bryansk, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Bryansk 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Bryansk Russians win, taking Bryansk from Germans with 4 artilleries and 9 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Battle in Novgorod Russians attack with 2 fighters, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Germans defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry Russians roll dice for 2 fighters, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Novgorod, round 2 : 2/7 hits, 2.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Novgorod, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Novgorod 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Novgorod Russians roll dice for 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Novgorod, round 3 : 2/6 hits, 2.17 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Novgorod, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Novgorod Russians win, taking Novgorod from Germans with 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry Non Combat Move - Russians 1 infantry moved from Rostov to Caucasus 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Caucasus 1 fighter moved from Urals to Caucasus 1 fighter moved from Belarus to Volgograd 2 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from Smolensk to Archangel 2 artilleries and 7 infantry moved from Belarus to Archangel 3 infantry moved from Belarus to Archangel 1 aaGun moved from Belarus to Archangel 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 64 infantry and 5 mech_infantrys moved from Belarus to Bryansk 1 fighter moved from Novgorod to Archangel 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Novgorod to Russia 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 11 infantry moved from Olgiy to Dzavhan 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 18 infantry moved from Olgiy to Kansu 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Kweichow to Shensi Place Units - Russians 3 mech_infantrys placed in Volgograd 3 armour and 2 infantry placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 26 PUs; end with 26 PUs Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 29 PUs Trigger Russians 2 Persia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 31 PUs Trigger Russians 5 Persia Lend Lease Lane War With Japan: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 33 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Japanese regular : -0.33 Germans regular : 0.33 Russians regular : 0.33

Savegame

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Germans round 10

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 10 Research Technology - Germans Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 19 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 infantry moved from Denmark to 116 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 116 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 114 Sea Zone to Scotland Combat - Germans Battle in Scotland Non Combat Move - Germans 1 carrier and 2 destroyers moved from 116 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 116 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 116 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from France to Southern France 2 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France 2 carriers, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 2 transports moved from 97 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone 3 infantry moved from Denmark to Western Germany 8 infantry moved from Baltic States to Leningrad 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Poland to Leningrad 11 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Romania 4 bombers moved from Western Germany to Southern Italy 2 tactical_bombers moved from France to Southern Italy 2 fighters moved from 116 Sea Zone to Southern Italy 6 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to Crete 1 tactical_bomber moved from France to Crete 2 aaGuns, 8 artilleries and 26 infantry moved from Iraq to Trans-Jordan Place Units - Germans 10 infantry placed in Western Germany 3 infantry placed in France 6 infantry placed in Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 47 PUs; end with 47 PUs Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 50 PUs Objective Germans 7 Control of Balkans: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 53 PUs Objective Germans 2 Control Stalingrad Or Leningrad Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 58 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

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Game History

Round: 8 Research Technology - Germans Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 1 carrier, 15 infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 3 infantry moved from Rostov to Volgograd 3 fighters moved from Rostov to Russia 1 bomber moved from Rostov to Russia 1 bomber moved from Rostov to Russia 1 tactical_bomber moved from Rostov to Volgograd 1 tactical_bomber moved from Rostov to Volgograd 1 mech_infantry moved from Caucasus to Iraq Germans take Iraq from British 1 mech_infantry moved from Caucasus to Persia Germans take Persia from British Combat - Germans Air Battle in Russia Germans attacks with 5 units heading to Russia Air Battle is over, the remaining bombers go on to their targets Strategic bombing raid in Russia Russians roll AA dice in Russia : 0/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits Bombing raid in Russia rolls: 8,7 and causes: 8 damage to unit: factory_major Bombing raid in Russia causes 8 damage total. Battle in Volgograd Germans attack with 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers Russians defend with 1 factory_minor and 2 infantry Germans roll dice for 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Volgograd, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 1.50 expected hits Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Volgograd, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Volgograd Germans roll dice for 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Volgograd, round 3 : 1/5 hits, 1.50 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Volgograd, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Volgograd Germans win, taking Volgograd from Russians with 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry Cleaning up after air battles Non Combat Move - Germans 5 armour and 10 mech_infantrys moved from Caucasus to Iraq 4 mech_infantrys moved from Rostov to Northwest Persia 2 mech_infantrys moved from Ukraine to Caucasus 3 aaGuns, 14 artilleries and 19 infantry moved from Rostov to Ukraine 2 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Ukraine 6 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary 1 submarine moved from 113 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone 1 armour moved from Finland to Novgorod 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport moved from 113 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from France to 112 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from France to 112 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from France to Western Germany 1 fighter moved from France to Western Germany 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 11 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France 5 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to Southern Italy 1 tactical_bomber moved from France to Southern Italy 1 fighter moved from France to Southern Italy 1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Southern Italy 1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France 1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France 7 infantry moved from Western Germany to France 8 infantry moved from Germany to Western Germany 1 tactical_bomber moved from Volgograd to Ukraine 1 tactical_bomber moved from Volgograd to Ukraine 2 bombers and 3 fighters moved from Russia to Ukraine 3 mech_infantrys moved from Caucasus to Iraq 1 armour moved from Caucasus to Iraq 1 armour and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Caucasus to Iraq Place Units - Germans 1 carrier, 1 submarine and 1 transport placed in 112 Sea Zone 3 infantry placed in Novgorod 3 infantry placed in Ukraine 3 infantry placed in France 6 infantry placed in Western Germany Turn Complete - Germans Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 125 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,3 Germans collect 54 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 54 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 59 PUs Objective Germans 7 Control of Balkans: Germans met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 61 PUs Objective Germans 6 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 4 PUs; end with 65 PUs Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 70 PUs Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 80 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Russians regular : -1.00 Germans regular : -1.00 Russians AA : -0.33

Again sorry, and you are totally within your right to be upset. Although, truth be told, as a guy who follows the rules and wants other people to follow the rules too, I cannot properly express to you how upset I was when presented with this situation. When I realized I had lost the file I was like “Oh crap! How am I going to fix this without doing an Edit!?!?!” Embarrassment City.

This was not something I wanted to present to you but I could think of no way of getting you a completed Turn without doing the edit.

As for the edit itself, hopefully, and I do think you feel this way too, you realize it was just an accident and not done purposefully. Unfortunately, I have trained myself to save the game after I post it and when I couldn’t post due to the site not working, I just didn’t override my habit and save the game. I was like, I will come back and try to post again later, and then I ended up being busy and never came back. In addition, I am bad at closing my computer down every night. I leave it up for days at a time and since all my other programs, Word, Excel, Chrome, come right back up if the system reboots, I am never punished for this poor behavior. Of course, in this case TripleA does not have that feature.

Hopefully, since this was a very easy Russian Turn and since the site was having issues, you do see it was accidental. It would be awfully coincidental that the one night the site wasn’t allowing posting that was also the same night I made some error I wanted to fix that required the edit. Having said that, it does not remove the possibility, and that is what we are talking about. Transparency. After all, maybe I decided to change my build? Maybe I placed my units and realized I forgot to move somebody? No matter how easy a Turn looks there is always a possibility for an error.

Which brings me to your comment about my edit policy stinking. You are right, to a degree. (More on this below) This was something I didn’t consider when I started to implement the more stringent Playoff Edit policy. What happens if the computer freezes during a Turn? What happens if the program tanks? I had not considered that. And at first, I was thinking, after this debacle, that “Hey Andrew, you need to save every time combat is over to make sure if the file gets lost or corrupted you can restore the game without an edit.” But upon thinking about this more and more I realize the entire way virtually everyone on this site posts is incorrect.

What do we all do? We take the end Turn file and use it for our Turn. Unless there are combat questions, like OOL or scrambling, we conduct the entire Turn and then send the end Turn file. But what if there is a computer freeze? We all trust our opponent to reconstruct the Turn with edits, if combat occurred, and move on. But, do we really know it is the same Turn? After all, we did not see anything that occurred except for combat rolls. The more I considered this it occurred to me it is not enough to save the game after combat so if the game freezes I can reconstruct it without edits because what if it freezes DURING combat rolls. I don’t know about you but I remember at least twice this happening to me. This does open up an interesting path I had not previously thought of.

Consider this. I have X number of battles. Two of them are dependent on each other, as in I expect to win battle A, but if for some reason I lose battle A then I really don’t want to conduct battle B. So, I roll battle A, then if something goes horribly wrong, I turn off the game and reload the Turn but with a different Combat Move and only reconstruct the actual battle that I rolled. I am not saying people are doing this, but the way we post does allow for this contingency. What we should be doing, I now realize, is post at the end of the Combat Move, and then save and/or post after Combat and then post the end of the Turn. This way, as far as I can see, there is no way to lose the game and not have full transparency to your opponent if any edits are required to reconstruct the game.

Therefore, I am going to start posting end of Combat Moves and I would ask you, and my other opponents, to do the same. In addition, I am going to save the game after every combat phase so I would only have to edit combat if the game froze during combat rolls and only then.

Please realize I am not accusing you or any other opponent of doing this. But as Ronald Reagan said “Trust, but verify.”

@FranceNeedsMorePower

This is a pretty evident no scramble. I feel confident replying on @gamerman01 ‘s behalf on this one to keep the game going.

Thanks! Oh my goodness I’m finally getting caught up on mine and have none to play like you the other day, but don’t stress about meeting your prediction.

I’m supposed to be starting a playoff game with @GeneralDisarray that’s way overdue - my fault