Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 6 artilleries and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to France 3 armour, 2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France 3 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to France 1 battleship moved from 113 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 103 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 117 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 108 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 124 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 118 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Norway to 111 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Germany to 110 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Germany to 111 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 111 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to 110 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 111 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 111 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Romania to Yugoslavia 1 armour moved from Romania to Yugoslavia 1 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 1 fighter and 2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Yugoslavia 1 armour moved from Poland to Yugoslavia 1 tactical_bomber moved from Poland to Yugoslavia Combat - Germans Battle in France Germans attack with 6 armour, 3 artilleries, 7 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys British defend with 1 armour and 1 artillery; French defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory_major, 1 fighter and 6 infantry Germans captures 19PUs while taking French capital Germans converts factory_major into different units Germans win, taking France from French with 6 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 35 Casualties for Germans: 6 infantry Casualties for French: 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 6 infantry Casualties for British: 1 armour and 1 artillery Battle in Yugoslavia Germans attack with 3 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 9 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Neutral_Allies defend with 5 infantry Germans win, taking Yugoslavia from Neutral_Allies with 3 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 7 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9 Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 5 infantry Battle in 106 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 submarine British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport British win with 1 destroyer and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6 Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Battle in 111 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 2 submarines and 2 tactical_bombers British defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British Germans win with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 18 Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter and 2 submarines Casualties for British: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer Battle in 110 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 2 submarines and 2 tactical_bombers British defend with 1 battleship and 1 cruiser; French defend with 1 cruiser Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans Germans win with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 32 Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines Casualties for British: 1 battleship and 1 cruiser Casualties for French: 1 cruiser Trigger Germans Conquer France: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachment_French_1_Liberation_Switch attached to French triggerFrenchDestroyPUsGermans: Setting destroysPUs to true for playerAttachment attached to French Non Combat Move - Germans 1 fighter moved from Yugoslavia to Southern Italy 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yugoslavia to Southern Italy 3 aaGuns, 3 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary 1 infantry moved from Romania to Bulgaria Germans take Bulgaria from Neutral_Axis 1 infantry moved from Poland to Slovakia Hungary 1 infantry moved from Poland to Slovakia Hungary 1 infantry moved from Norway to Finland Germans take Finland from Neutral_Axis 1 bomber moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany 1 bomber moved from 110 Sea Zone to Western Germany 1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium 1 fighter moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 110 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium 1 transport moved from 114 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Denmark to 113 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Denmark to 113 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 113 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 114 Sea Zone to Poland 1 infantry moved from 114 Sea Zone to Poland 1 infantry moved from Poland to Slovakia Hungary 1 tactical_bomber moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany 1 tactical_bomber moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany Place Units - Germans 6 artilleries and 2 infantry placed in Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 39 PUs; end with 58 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 68 PUsLeague General Discussion Thread
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Mutual agreement is key. If both players agree upon a diversion from the rules, of any kind within the general rules, it’s of course ok.
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@ksmckay said in League General Discussion Thread:
I am fine with it, but I dont think its ok for the rules to be unclear.
I think they’re actually quite clear and straight-forward. A player can always push for the default rules to be active.
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Distinction: League rules and game rules (general above).
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@trulpen said in League General Discussion Thread:
@ksmckay said in League General Discussion Thread:
I am fine with it, but I dont think its ok for the rules to be unclear.
I think they’re actually quite clear and straight-forward. A player can always push for the default rules to be active.
I meant I am fine with adjusting things. The existing rule is not unclear. But if it needs to be changed (or players want it changed), then it should be changed. And I think the beginning of the year is an appropriate time for such a discussion.
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Years and years ago, bidding was wide open, players could place anything, anywhere they wanted, which led to multiple units being stacked or placed in strategic locations. That was changed to the one unit only, being allowed to be placed in territories which already had a unit of that country…
I for one, wouldn’t mind go back to a wide open bid placement, w/BM, bids are much less, so stacking would be minimized anyway… -
@666 Took me a second to find it, but one of the reasons I was reminded of this was a discussion you and JDOW had in
https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/33804/jdow-vs-jww-666-allies-6-game-2/271
JDOW tried to bid inf NG, and you rejected it.
A ton of games include this as a bid and I just think if the community is ok with it then change the rules or something (even if just for playoffs). I just dont see the point in having a rule that is only followed when convenient. Either its the rule or it isn’t.
Its just a game of course but I didnt want to bid a certain way and then find out my bid is illegal and have second thoughts about my bid.
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@ksmckay said in League General Discussion Thread:
@666 Took me a second to find it, but one of the reasons I was reminded of this was a discussion you and JDOW had in
https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/33804/jdow-vs-jww-666-allies-6-game-2/271
JDOW tried to bid inf NG, and you rejected it.
A ton of games include this as a bid and I just think if the community is ok with it then change the rules or something (even if just for playoffs). I just dont see the point in having a rule that is only followed when convenient. Either its the rule or it isn’t.
Its just a game of course but I didnt want to bid a certain way and then find out my bid is illegal and have second thoughts about my bid.
the current rule set basically says if the two players agree then go for it, that works for me too…
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@Adam514 said in League General Discussion Thread:
Bidding rules have been territory-based over unit-based in all my games I think, and NG inf is a classic. I see no reason to change how most people have been bidding. It doesn’t break the game, far from it.
While I agree that it doesn’t break the game, I would say that it is a negative for gameplay. Just makes it too easy for ANZAC to collect its objectives.
More generally, I think the rule is correct the way it is and shouldn’t be changed. Just needs greater enforcement. However, if people feel differently, I guess it could be changed.
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@simon33 said in League General Discussion Thread:
@Adam514 said in League General Discussion Thread:
Bidding rules have been territory-based over unit-based in all my games I think, and NG inf is a classic. I see no reason to change how most people have been bidding. It doesn’t break the game, far from it.
While I agree that it doesn’t break the game, I would say that it is a negative for gameplay. Just makes it too easy for ANZAC to collect its objectives.
More generally, I think the rule is correct the way it is and shouldn’t be changed. Just needs greater enforcement. However, if people feel differently, I guess it could be changed.
That’s not different from using a sub in sz98 to destroy the Italian fleet easier.
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In the sense that it’s a bid unit which causes a large IPC swing on the board? Well, that is the general idea of what to do with bid units. Although in your example, in days before the SZ92 stack was preferred, you would have done Taranto with or without that bid.
I see where you’re coming from though. I just don’t really agree.
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@simon33 said in League General Discussion Thread:
In the sense that it’s a bid unit which causes a large IPC swing on the board? Well, that is the general idea of what to do with bid units. Although in your example, in days before the SZ92 stack was preferred, you would have done Taranto with or without that bid.
I see where you’re coming from though. I just don’t really agree.
Actually, it’s only really relevant if JDOW1.
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NG bid saves a transport pretty much.
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So mainly that NG bid placement is a deterrant against a JDOW1 strategy.
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It’s a big swing if Japan wins in SZ62 J1. Otherwise it’s less of a swing, although if there isn’t a J1 DOW I will normally claim Java as ANZAC and then I would like a second transport in case there’s a J2 DOW to claim DNG.
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If I’m following this correctly, here’s a summary:
- New Guinea infantry bid is not legal according to the posted default bidding rules for 2019
- If both players agree to allow it then the default bidding rules can be ignored (ideally you should find this out before you make any bids)
It seems reasonable to have a vote on if league players want the default bidding rules changed, however it seems more appropriate to consider changing for the 2020 league rules as the 2019 playoff rules have been posted for a year now.
For what it’s worth, I prefer the existing rule that makes it illegal, but the most important thing is that there’s no surprise.
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To reiterate: It’s only illegal if the opponent doesn’t accept it. Simple as that.
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I’m leaving signup for 2nd and 3rd playoff brackets open this weekend, so please wait a little longer. BobbaRossa actually did pop in and want to participate, and fortunately didn’t seem too upset that he’s #1 seed in 2nd playoff instead of in the main one. Stand by, 2nd and 3rd bracket players…
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I already re-drew the brackets, but these could change again depending on who else joins in. Just giving you a tantalizing preview.
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@gamerman01 said in League General Discussion Thread:
I’m leaving signup for 2nd and 3rd playoff brackets open this weekend, so please wait a little longer. BobbaRossa actually did pop in and want to participate, and fortunately didn’t seem too upset that he’s #1 seed in 2nd playoff instead of in the main one. Stand by, 2nd and 3rd bracket players…
It’s what I get for being late to the party. Remember kids: be on time! :P
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@BobbaRossa said in League General Discussion Thread:
@gamerman01 said in League General Discussion Thread:
I’m leaving signup for 2nd and 3rd playoff brackets open this weekend, so please wait a little longer. BobbaRossa actually did pop in and want to participate, and fortunately didn’t seem too upset that he’s #1 seed in 2nd playoff instead of in the main one. Stand by, 2nd and 3rd bracket players…
It’s what I get for being late to the party. Remember kids: be on time! :P
Welcome back bobba! Yah it’s a total shame you’re not with the big boys. Cuz that’s really where you belong!
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