League General Discussion Thread

crockett36

If I may speak in the assembly of the greats, I did mention earlier somewhere that players who are keeping an eye on the numbers would conclude that it is not worth it to risk play lower-level players. However, if one benefited by x, x being a positive number that was calculated by both level difference and the size of the bid, it might actually incentivize such play. And breathe life into the league.

Another incentive for creativity and daring would be an allied and an axis ranking. They do this on 42 online. Top Allied players, top Axis players. Not sure how to do that.

mikawagunichi

With all due respect @axis-dominion , and you’re obviously one of the true greats here, I think you may be too quick to jump to conclusions on some things. A few weeks ago after the Adam sub spam game you were predicting higher bids would be needed to play Axis, now it’s the Axis are overpowered due to SL.

How do you know Peirce will continue to be a gambler in the future? He hasn’t declared that he will like some on here, and at the rate he’s racking up wins against good players, his confidence and ranking will both climb to the point where he feels that HE is the better player (or at least near-equal) in many games and has no need to gamble.

And lastly, over the long run you should be happy that players want to take sub 50% changes in key battles, that will favor you more often than not. And since you’re a fast pace of play player, you can surely play enough games to get the law of large numbers working in your favor.

crockett36

Forgive me, but…am I wrong to be more impressed by playoff results than an elo number?

If the elo number goes all the way back to when the game first came out, the strategic thinking at the time was probably more primitive or juvenile. The metas and scripts basic or even erroneous. I would not presume that champions of the past would be champions in 2025.

Perhaps elo ought to be broken down into 5-year eras. Btw, what would the battle of Midway look like on a battle board, using a battle calculator? And what would be the percentage of the result of the Miracle at Midway?

gamerman01

Don’t worry about clogging the Post Game Results thread, I’ll just move the posts when the steam has run out.

This is really good discussion about A&A, all versions even outside the league, considering the limitations of posts on a forum. I am enjoying it immensely, especially @Gargantua dropping in like a paratrooper.

gamerman01

@axis-dominion Are those 9 games of PtV in the league the only ones of that version you’ve played?

As we all know, the game plays a lot different than the others. You are probably still on the learning curve on that version? We don’t even know where you’ll level out in PtV.

I’ll just believe you that the dice went against you the whole game. But just (being much more measured than our very own @Gargantua of course) consider that you weren’t in your favorite playground (Balanced Mod by FAR) and that all that experience with OOB and BM may work against you. With the caveat that I don’t know how those first 8 games went, but you did lose 3.

So like my overall rating plummeted from an off game of Classic, similarly your overall #1 status is jeopardized no matter WHO you play - in PTV.

simon33

Guess that’s a downside of the ELO based system. In the old system, you could only lose 4 points divided by your number of games. At least you know exactly how many points you have put at stake when you start the game.

Checking the results tab, you’re 3 and 2 this year. Assuming that is against 4 M players and 1 tier 1 player, that would be 5.1 avg points. I think that would tier E, which is also where you are on the ELO system.

I reckon just a few more games and maybe it will average out. I would hope so.

peirce

@axis-dominion Love all of this dialogue here!If you’re formally resigning the game, happy to re-do that battle with LL on (for that battle), and see where it takes us. I’m new to the Forum, of course, and very new to PTV, but I’ve been playing BM for many years, and I really like the PTV map. Happy to put my

peirce

@axis-dominion … happy to put my theory to the test. Shall we do this?

Booper

@peirce said in Post League Game Results Here:

@axis-dominion Love all of this dialogue here!If you’re formally resigning the game, happy to re-do that battle with LL on (for that battle), and see where it takes us. I’m new to the Forum, of course, and very new to PTV, but I’ve been playing BM for many years, and I really like the PTV map. Happy to put my

By posting here, I think @axis-domination DID resign the game - did I miss something? Most people post something like “so-and-so wins, will played”, but it seems in the heat of the moment this did not occur. :)

BTW, here are the entire dice stats. The TOTAL dice rolls look entire fair. However the distribution for Axis rolls is skewed slightly lower, and Allies slightly higher. What can you do - it’s a random number generator, given enough rolls it will start to look fair for each power, but will vary slightly with low sample size.

peirce

@axis-dominion I got lucky that battle, no question. But the Sea Lion you complained so much about was a 97% battle in my favour. I was sure enough about winning it that I diverted a bomber to try to knock out the seaport at Gibraltar (which you shot down with your AA - your own luck). Frankly, I’d have readily traded the above-par result (~20 TUV above odds) in London for damaging that port any day. It allowed USA to threaten Germany and Italy at the same time for the rest of the game, which was huge. Far more than an extra couple of fighters.

You also got your own luck in plenty of battles, but I didn’t want to rub salt in the wound. The nature of the game is that one has to take risks - calculated risks - to win, and that’s what I did. But that final battle wasn’t a hail mary - it was a tactical choice to hobble the threat of the Russian/US advance in Eastern Europe.

peirce

@axis-dominion Ready when you are.

gamerman01

@Booper Unfortunately, total dice rolled throughout the game is misleading at best. So many of them had zero effect but are counted in Triple A stats. And even if they weren’t, the timing and place of the dice are what matter.

Booper

@gamerman01

Understood, but it goes to the overall fairness of the random dice generator, which seems to be operating fine.

gamerman01

Ah! Yes.

No disrespect was meant. Thanks for clarifying

axis-dominion

@peirce said in Post League Game Results Here:

@axis-dominion Ready when you are.

sorry i had stepped away, then fell asleep for a bit

yeah let’s do it. should be fun. game is recorded, so no effect on result, but we can continue on the thread.

take it away!

peirce

@axis-dominion Love it. Always seems a shame when a good match-up gets ruined by a brutal dicing. Happy to play this one out!

axis-dominion

@peirce said in Post League Game Results Here:

@axis-dominion Love it. Always seems a shame when a good match-up gets ruined by a brutal dicing. Happy to play this one out!

agreed, i was enjoying the game despite being behind a lot, felt allies at least had a chance.

gamerman01

Sleep on it realization:

Other than @Adam514 , every one of us has to admit we don’t know what it’s like to reach the mesosphere of 2200+

We’re a bit of a peanut gallery. Well, more than a bit.

axis-dominion

yeah adam and i keep swapping seats up there. since i’ve transitioned to ptv i am still figuring it out, and in the process i haven’t been able to progress to 2300 and beyond.

axis-dominion

the other factor being that it’s hard to make large gains once you’re up there

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