Game History
Round: 3 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 1 armour, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 3 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Politics - Americans Trigger Americans War Production Eastern: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Eastern United States Trigger Americans War Production Central: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Central United States Trigger Americans War Production Western: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Western United States Trigger Americans War Production Eastern: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Eastern United States Trigger Americans War Production Central: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Central United States Trigger Americans War Production Western: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Western United States Combat Move - Americans Trigger Americans Unrestricted Movement: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared for rulesAttachment attached to Americans 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 16 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 17 Sea Zone to Iwo Jima Combat - Americans Battle in Iwo Jima Non Combat Move - Americans 1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 3 destroyers, 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 2 submarines, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport moved from 16 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 17 Sea Zone to Iwo Jima 2 carriers and 4 fighters moved from 7 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands 1 fighter moved from Aleutian Islands to Siberia 2 bombers moved from Alaska to Siberia 1 bomber moved from Western United States to Siberia 1 armour moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 86 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 86 Sea Zone to Brazil Americans take Brazil from Neutral_Allies 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone Place Units - Americans 2 transports placed in 101 Sea Zone 1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry placed in Western United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 53 PUs; end with 53 PUs Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 63 PUs Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 68 PUs Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 73 PUs Purchase Units - Chinese Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed Chinese buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; Combat Move - Chinese 1 fighter and 11 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Chahar Chinese take Chahar from Japanese 1 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Chahar 1 fighter moved from Chahar to Suiyuyan Combat - Chinese Non Combat Move - Chinese Place Units - Chinese 2 infantry placed in Suiyuyan Turn Complete - Chinese Chinese collect 8 PUs; end with 10 PUs Purchase Units - British British buy 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - British 1 carrier, 3 cruisers, 3 destroyers and 2 fighters moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Egypt to 97 Sea Zone 2 destroyers moved from 81 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Tobruk to Libya British take Libya from Italians 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Egypt to 98 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Trans-Jordan to 98 Sea Zone 2 artilleries, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 98 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to Ethiopia 1 battleship moved from 76 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone 1 armour moved from Egypt to Ethiopia Combat - British Battle in 97 Sea Zone British attack with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 3 cruisers, 5 destroyers, 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber Italians defend with 1 battleship, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer and 2 transports British win, taking 97 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 3 cruisers, 5 destroyers and 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 55 Casualties for British: 1 tactical_bomber Casualties for Italians: 1 battleship, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer and 2 transports Battle in Ethiopia British attack with 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry Italians defend with 1 artillery and 3 infantry 1 armour owned by the British retreated to Anglo Egyptian Sudan Italians win with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -8 Casualties for British: 2 artilleries and 2 infantry Casualties for Italians: 2 infantry Non Combat Move - British 1 infantry moved from Belgian Congo to Anglo Egyptian Sudan 1 infantry moved from Belgian Congo to Anglo Egyptian Sudan 2 fighters moved from West India to 80 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Egypt 1 fighter moved from 97 Sea Zone to Malta 1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Egypt 1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to United Kingdom 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Iraq to Persia 1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq 3 aaGuns, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 9 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from West India to Eastern Persia Place Units - British 1 carrier and 1 destroyer placed in 80 Sea Zone 1 infantry placed in Persia 2 infantry placed in Egypt Turn Complete - British British collect 33 PUs; end with 33 PUs Turn Complete - UK_PacificLeague General Discussion Thread
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@axis-dominion is that the raw number from the calc or mathing out the avg remaining units? On low odds plays I manually calculate expected TUV for both scenarios using the Avg Defender and Avg Attacker units remaining
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@Stucifer said in Post League Game Results Here:
Most players here probably know statistics better than me actually so I hope that doesn’t come across as patronizing. 🤓
I recall vividly in one of my first league matches here, with @ArtofWar1947 and I recall winning a ~30% battle. I was elated of course, but he was a superior strategist and ground me down for a victory. I do admire the tenacity of some players that continue to battle despite the odds seemingly stacked against them. Like the Brits in the dark days of 1940-41, sometimes the grit pays off.
you should see how much of a pounding i got from all his luck earlier in the game… i still continued, but this latest result was the nail in the coffin.
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It was many years ago, in one of my many battles with my nemesis @boldfresh that I would say “there was a 2% chance of that happening”, or “there was a 1% chance of that happening”. To which he famously replied “1% and 2% chances seem to happen an awful lot in this game (Axis and Allies)”.
Well, it’s easy to overlook: There’s a 1% and 2% chance on either end of the curve, so there is a 4% chance that a 2% chance will happen. And of course, we breeze by all the expected results but that more extreme one happens and it gets a lot more attention.
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@gamerman01 said in Post League Game Results Here:
That’s right, several of the core A&A rules from the 70’s, 80’s are unchanged and that is one of the big ones.
We top players are in danger of taking the game too seriously sometimes. It’s designed for fun!!
LOL you talk JUST like a top A&A player. Analytical through and through, frustrated by the decisions of fate that you can do nothing about (you said it best in your game thread - let it ride, we live and die by the dice), and starting to obsess about every point of ELO (lol I know you’ll counter that)
Be careful with % chances and expected TUV changes.
i guess what i’m saying is that, strictly from a competitive league standpoint, there’s no good incentive to play a significantly lower ranked (or new) player. if it’s just for fun, which i totally agree with btw! then i should just play them outside of the league.
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@axis-dominion said in Post League Game Results Here:
you should see how much of a pounding i got from all his luck earlier in the game… i still continued, but this latest result was the nail in the coffin.
I gotta ask. Did you not see the guys complaining and agape over his luck in the PTV discussion thread, complete with an AI parrot of Trump talking about Peirce’s luck? (As if each roll is not an independent event LOOOOL) A lot funner to believe in the streaks.
You ran into a buzzsaw! My legendary luck has counteracted some of his, though LOOOL
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@axis-dominion said in Post League Game Results Here:
@gamerman01 said in Post League Game Results Here:
That’s right, several of the core A&A rules from the 70’s, 80’s are unchanged and that is one of the big ones.
We top players are in danger of taking the game too seriously sometimes. It’s designed for fun!!
LOL you talk JUST like a top A&A player. Analytical through and through, frustrated by the decisions of fate that you can do nothing about (you said it best in your game thread - let it ride, we live and die by the dice), and starting to obsess about every point of ELO (lol I know you’ll counter that)
Be careful with % chances and expected TUV changes.
i guess what i’m saying is that, strictly from a competitive league standpoint, there’s no good incentive to play a significantly lower ranked (or new) player. if it’s just for fun, which i totally agree with btw! then i should just play them outside of the league.
and then let the dice roll on! lol
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@gamerman01 said in Post League Game Results Here:
@axis-dominion said in Post League Game Results Here:
you should see how much of a pounding i got from all his luck earlier in the game… i still continued, but this latest result was the nail in the coffin.
I gotta ask. Did you not see the guys complaining and agape over his luck in the PTV discussion thread, complete with an AI parrot of Trump talking about Peirce’s luck? (As if each roll is not an independent event LOOOOL) A lot funner to believe in the streaks.
You ran into a buzzsaw! My legendary luck has counteracted some of his, though LOOOL
i was the one who started that thread lol
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@axis-dominion Disagree. Again, your rating is in the stratosphere. If you want to caress your ELO, you are almost a lock against anyone below 1800 or 1900, yet your ELO goes up a few points each time. What do you think it should be?
Any good system is going to weight your rating by the strength of your competition. If you get too much from just decent players, you’d just farm them.
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@axis-dominion said in Post League Game Results Here:
i was the one who started that thread lol
From an earlier game, or what was happening in this one?
Seriously, you might need to re-evaluate just a smidge, your interpretation of what you’re seeing in a calculator. And be careful what you expect.
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@gamerman01 said in Post League Game Results Here:
@axis-dominion Disagree. Again, your rating is in the stratosphere. If you want to caress your ELO, you are almost a lock against anyone below 1800 or 1900, yet your ELO goes up a few points each time. What do you think it should be?
Any good system is going to weight your rating by the strength of your competition. If you get too much from just decent players, you’d just farm them.
i’m not looking for more from just decent players, just not wanting to nose dive due to really stupid dice lol.
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@axis-dominion LOOOOL that is inevitable, it’s going to happen once in a great while and you know it
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@gamerman01 said in Post League Game Results Here:
@axis-dominion LOOOOL that is inevitable, it’s going to happen once in a great while and you know it
yes but i can control that by being more selective with my opponents. if my opponent is closer to my ranking and they take a big risk and win, i wouldn’t nose dive…
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But that will happen a lot more often! You earned the right to be proud! It sucks to be knocked down a peg. Just sleep on it
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13 points to get back to #1 above @Adam514
Man, Adam isn’t even rubbing it in your face or anything. Lick your wounds, lion, and get back out there! -
@gamerman01 said in Post League Game Results Here:
@axis-dominion said in Post League Game Results Here:
i was the one who started that thread lol
From an earlier game, or what was happening in this one?
Seriously, you might need to re-evaluate just a smidge, your interpretation of what you’re seeing in a calculator. And be careful what you expect.
the reality is that all the top players play by the odds and things get very positional, we kinda have to given how tight things are on every front… . we can’t play to near 0% odds for attacker so we have to settle for less, usually < 50% and somewhat bad tuv results. we expect an equally strong opponent not to risk going for less than optimal results unless they’re desperate. usually top players are at the top precisely because they don’t take bad odds unless they have to. going back to my main point.
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@gamerman01 said in Post League Game Results Here:
13 points to get back to #1 above @Adam514
Man, Adam isn’t even rubbing it in your face or anything. Lick your wounds, lion, and get back out there!i’m a tiger now
;)
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@axis-dominion what is the importance of a few ELO points when your pretty much guaranteed to be a top 3 ranked playoff qualifier every year? And those bad odds battles will go in your favor more often than not.
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You did the community a service, Peirce’s rating is leaping to it’s rightful level faster, and others are getting a clearer picture of what they’re up against.
And when I beat him, I’ll get more points
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@gamerman01 said in Post League Game Results Here:
You did the community a service, Peirce’s rating is leaping to it’s rightful level faster, and others are getting a clearer picture of what they’re up against.
And when I beat him, I’ll get more points
LOL, yes i did you and others currently against him a favor, assuming you don’t get as f/lucked as i did.
from his moves i think he is a decently good player, i don’t doubt that. but luck very much decided our game unfortunately, and there were enough weaknesses in his play that if it were not for that level of luck, i’m confident the outcome would be very different. i would agree with you if going forward he did not depend on luck so much but played the odds and positioning as any other top player does.
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in lobby play, you swing and hit, and you swing and miss, and then you miss miss hit miss, it doesn’t matter, you just come back the next day and play for fun. your results are not recorded.
in league play, it’s not the same. you quickly learn that swinging might get you a quick boost with an occasional lucky shot against a top tier player, but eventually, like ME, pacifier, and ABH who like to take those swings found out, you’ll rarely get near the top and stick around there. most likely the best you’ll get to is tier E, if you have some skill to go along with all that swinging.
don’t get me wrong, players like these guys are super fun to play against, just sucks that the league structure/rating is such that it’s very punishing if you’re a top player and get caught in their lucky swing.
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