@Booper said in OOB Playoffs R2 oysteilo (axis) vs. AndrewAAGamer (+51):
@AndrewAAGamer said in OOB Playoffs R2 oysteilo (axis) vs. AndrewAAGamer (+51):
Speaking of the edit, you are perfectly within your rights to state, āAndrew, I do not accept your edit.ā In which case I will have to redo the entire Russian Turn and present you with a non-edited file. Do you deny me the edit and wish me to redo the Russian Turn?
Andrew, just asking for clarification on this. I donāt understand how this would be allowable, to re-do Russiaās entire turn, including dice rolls.
If oysteilo is going to deny the edit I was forced to do to provide a game file then I have to present him with an unedited file. Since the only way to do that would be to redo the Russian Turn that is what I would be forced to do. The Turn would be made exactly the same, no change in movement would be allowed. However, as you point out, the dice rolls could possibly end up in a different result. Since the battle went favorably for oysteilo I do not know why he would want this but it is the only way to present him with an unedited file which is his right.
By extension, are you saying the Germanās would have had the opportunity to re-do their entire turn, including NCM rather than submitting an edited file?
No, I am not. Germany did present me with an unedited file. There is no disagreement here regarding that.
This seems far worse than allowing a simple edit from a NCM phase.
I agree. But if oysteilo insists on an unedited file I donāt know of any other way to present him with one.
Regarding the greater issue at hand though, I donāt believe this follows Generally Accepted league practices with a rather legalistic and unyielding view of edits in playoff games. In my experience, I have not encountered a single player in league who does not allow NCM edits if the next turn has not started. This is mainly for (1) Fun game play experience (2) More competitive game play experience (do you want to win due to an obvious oversight?) (3) Imperfect translation of an over-the-board experience to an online experience.
I would agree that the vast majority of players allow edits during NCM. I would disagree that I am the only one not allowing edits after a game posts or after combat rolls are made since I have played many a game with other players who agree with this approach.
In regards to your three points.
As stated above, I have played games with other players who agree that once a Turn is posted there should be no edits.
I agree that most Players find the game more fun if they can do edits.
Trying to not make obvious mistakes is part of the competitive process.
People make mistakes in face to face games too, in fact usually more as you do not have as much time to study the board.
Playing here for a few years now I have found I seem to be able to make fewer requests than my opponents regarding edits. I donāt know why this is, perhaps I put more time in then they do taking my Turns. Therefore, in a game where edits are not allowed, which is the League default rules, I have a very slight advantage due to my abilities. I have also found that other people do not like to play with no edits. As you say, it takes the fun out of the game for them to have to put in more effort to make sure they donāt need edits.
Since most games here are for fun, that is why I do allow NCM edits in most of my games. It is not because I want to, it is because I realize that if I do not allow them I will have a hard time finding opponents who want to play with me. Playoff games are not for fun. They are for the Champion of the Year. Why should I give up one of my abilities of needing fewer edits than my opponent just so they can have fun? Are they going to give up some of their playing abilities so I can have fun?
I would humbly suggest this game adheres to what the rest of the league has come to recognize as the standard with respect to edits, which I attempted to outline, but could likely use refinement as well.
If the League Rules are to allow edits than I will do that. Otherwise, I have learned over the years not to succumb to peer pressure.